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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57901: Jul 9th 2013 at 10:29:59 AM

A new survey finds only 12 percent support implementing ObamaCare’s individual mandate in 2014 as prescribed by law.

edited 9th Jul '13 10:34:58 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#57902: Jul 9th 2013 at 11:42:28 AM

@occono: It's the Journal Sentinel. Half the time they're being shills for Walker's government, and the other half they're putting out semi-decent articles. And of the articles which are even remotely controversial, you can bet dollars to donuts that it's going to have a lot of republicans trolling the comments section. It got that way during the protests in 2011 when there was a massive need to downplay public opinion about the union busting, despite the massive scale of the protests.

You can also find some real gems of comments there. I once saw someone say that a police officer, fire fighter, and EMT does not "deserve" to be middle class, only Police chiefs, Chief fire fighters, and surgeons. :V

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#57903: Jul 9th 2013 at 11:50:43 AM

[up] Wow that's...I don't even know. "The people who protect me and save my life when I'm in trouble don't deserve to live comfortably!"

People who complain about people with necessary jobs getting paid too much shouldn't be middle class or higher in my opinion.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#57904: Jul 9th 2013 at 12:33:27 PM

RE: Obamacare mandate

A plurality, 47 percent, said they were not sure if the fines should take effect as scheduled.

Well yeah, that's gonna happen if you delay the benefits and regulation taking effect.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#57905: Jul 9th 2013 at 12:34:13 PM

[up][up] Okay so, if it takes being a surgeon and police chief to be middle-class, who deserves to be rich then? Did anyone ask that question?

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#57906: Jul 9th 2013 at 12:52:25 PM

[up][up][up]Wow, they do hate the middle class.

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Lost in Space
#57907: Jul 9th 2013 at 12:54:58 PM

Or possibly they don't understand what the middle class actually is.

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#57908: Jul 9th 2013 at 12:58:54 PM

occono: It's the Journal Sentinel. Half the time they're being shills for Walker's government, and the other half they're putting out semi-decent articles. And of the articles which are even remotely controversial, you can bet dollars to donuts that it's going to have a lot of republicans trolling the comments section. It got that way during the protests in 2011 when there was a massive need to downplay public opinion about the union busting, despite the massive scale of the protests. You can also find some real gems of comments there. I once saw someone say that a police officer, fire fighter, and EMT does not "deserve" to be middle class, only Police chiefs, Chief fire fighters, and surgeons. :V

I see. It was the most recent news article I could find on google on the choking incident. Any idea if there have been further developments?

edited 9th Jul '13 12:59:09 PM by occono

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#57909: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:03:42 PM

Nope. The places I follow have not talked about it in months and I had almost forgotten about it.

And I wasn't saying that that article was the shilling half, just that you could expect those kinds of comments for the majority of the articles.

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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#57910: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:06:29 PM

Question, though I'm sure this has been brought up before, why does whether or not people who don't "deserve" some benefit trump the people who do "deserve" it, in the minds of many conservatives? It seems that even if the program could also benefit themselves and their friends and families, who most would dub as deserving as well as a host of others, many would want to completely destroy them, if even one person tried cheating it, food stamps and welfare being prime examples. What is with this obesssion of not giving things to "moochers" even if it means taking everyone else down with them?

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57911: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:13:29 PM

House Republicans look to slash IRS budget by $3 billion in fiscal 2014

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Lost in Space
#57912: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:16:29 PM

@KBSL: That particular brand of conservatism has at its core an idealized concept of personal responsibility in which a moral individual does not rely on assistance from government and only accepts private charity in direst need. All success in life derives from gumption and hard work, whereas all failure derives from laziness and lack of ambition.

Correspondingly, it is the greatest sin to take the product of a person's honest labor and give it to someone who did not work as hard.

This is, at heart, a very idealistic philosophy. It's blatantly contrary to fact, but it has a powerful appeal.

edited 9th Jul '13 1:16:41 PM by Fighteer

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#57913: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:18:50 PM

[up]Such as, take profit from a minimum wage worker's honest labor and give it to shareholders?

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Lost in Space
#57914: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:20:21 PM

"If he only worked harder and smarter, he'd be a shareholder as well, not a minimum wage worker."

edited 9th Jul '13 1:20:53 PM by Fighteer

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#57915: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:20:24 PM

[up][up]

To the conservative mind, the shareholder will be in that position due to his own hard graft vastly exceeding that of the minimum wage earner.

[up]

Goddamn ninjas.

edited 9th Jul '13 1:20:40 PM by Achaemenid

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57917: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:22:03 PM

Haven't they been trying that since 2010?

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Lost in Space
#57918: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:27:48 PM

They've held 37 votes or some such to repeal it, yes. They continue to attempt to defund and obstruct it in any way possible.

One is forced to wonder why they fear it so much. If they really thought it would turn people against Democrats, why not let it go into effect and then call, "I told you so?"

The answer is because they know that a successful implementation of Obamacare might permanently remove any chance of them regaining the White House.

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57919: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:28:56 PM

Leonard Nimoy : Immigration reform is logical

[up] By that logic, why don't the Democrats let the Republicans intact every bad law they have ever thought up?

The answer, is that they are afraid it will cause to much damage to the country.

edited 9th Jul '13 1:32:16 PM by deviantbraeburn

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57920: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:29:14 PM

I wonder what happens if Obamacare is actually successfully implemented. Will they just keep "repealing" it, or are they going to raise the white flag?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Lost in Space
#57921: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:30:58 PM

Pfft. They won't surrender until their demographic base dries up completely. But a successful implementation would take the wind out of any public outcry against the law, making it much harder for a Congressman to justify a vote against it to their constituents.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#57922: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:32:54 PM

Once people start getting the benefits, anyone who tries to go against it will look insane.

There was a new candidate for MP in my area (Yes, I live in Canada, this is actually relevant) a couple years back who was a tea party conservative immigrant from the States. His platform was to try and get the healthcare rolled back. Anyone who actually heard about him just thought he was crazy and the Conservative Party just refused to endorse him and he eventually gave up.

Once people realize that the costs for going to the doctor will be much lower, I don't think anyone with half a brain would want it to stop.

edited 9th Jul '13 1:33:46 PM by Zendervai

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57923: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:34:45 PM

Two House Democrats have proposed legislation to establish national park on the moon

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57924: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:36:06 PM

Now, what does anybody think will happen once Obamacare rolls out? I am assuming that there will be some bureaucratic blunders and usual problems that tend to affect new megaprojects.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#57925: Jul 9th 2013 at 1:37:24 PM

Who owns the moon? I mean, Russia launched a bunch of rockets at the moon and the Americans walked on the moon, but the flags have apparently been bleached white from the solar radiation.


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