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Texas is a very nice place to live even if our politicians some of the worst in the country.
edited 8th Jul '13 1:44:08 PM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."Are You Gay Or Lesbian? Pat Robertson Says You Might Cause God To 'Vomit' Out America
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dividually I don't have a problm with Texans or Carolinians or Georgians but the Southern and Northern parts of this country just don't fit together and never have. We should have gone our seperate ways at the Constitutional Convention.
edited 8th Jul '13 2:01:47 PM by tricksterson
Trump delenda estThe fact is every single part of this country is different from one another. The mid-West is different from the northeast is different from the west is different from the south is different from the southwest.
By your logic, we should just give someone a pen and have them split the entire country into about 4-6 pieces and let them do whatever.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."DEATH TO SECESSIONISTS!
Speaker Boehner blames Senate Dems for student loan interest rate hike
Not saying I agree with him, bu we wouldn't be the first country to split due to irreconcilable differences. I'm mainly playing Devil's Advocate.
The American identity, as with many diverse states, is bound together by a set of shared values rather than nationality. But if the populace does not share the same values, why should they stay together?
Best they form their own nations which will have a greater degree of unity and, as such, be better able to meet the concerns and demands of the people living within them than continue to combat and obstruct one another.
edited 8th Jul '13 2:19:24 PM by IConfuseMe
Over time the trend has been for the country to get more liberal. I don't see any need to split up the blue and red states when popular opinion on politics is slowly converging, not diverging.
It may seem like it's diverging more than it used to, but that's largely the result of a very vocal minority getting more vocal the closer they are to becoming marginalized on the national stage. The only reason they ever held power in the first place was a combination of religious exploitation and moneyed interests (and let's not forget the recently blatant voting system manipulation).
edited 8th Jul '13 2:21:40 PM by Karkadinn
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.Tricksterton, please shut up. As a Texan I'm finding you very offensive. What you're basically suggesting is bringing home the tragedy of the Middle East situation into the middle of the US. I hope you realize how fucking stupidly cruel that sounds. You also sound like a bigot.
Regardless of what happened over two hundred years ago, at this point in time the US is too interconnected in our infrastructure to fracture like that. Power grids on both sides of the country, the highways, the fucking healthcare programs. This would only end in disaster, and we're not even in a situation where secession is anywhere near a mainstream idea. So I don't know why you think that's a feasible solution.
United we stand, divided we fall is a statement that has a very real implication here.
Also, thank fuck we're getting rid of Perry. I wonder if Wendy Davis could stand a chance at winning right now.
Overview of Davis' political career on the other wiki.
edited 8th Jul '13 2:35:53 PM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."Well, it's a hot button issue right now since said abortion law would shut down several medical facilities ENTIRELY, in the process denying thousands of women health care they can't get elsewhere. It's also happening in the middle of a situation where they're trying to restrict women's ability to get healthcare in general. Don't forget that she also did this as the Republicans tried to cheat and shut her down towards the end, so the situation also highlighted Republican corruption.
And, as a democrat, she's like to vote more liberally on a lot of things. I realize this is just one situation that happened recently, but things like this that can get your name out there and recognized can be very helpful in campaigns for office.
@ Kark
And despite that, the southern states have remained more conservative than the northern states and the center states rural states more conservative than the urbanized states.
Just because the country as a whole shifts leftward, doesn't mean a greater degree of consensus. And that doesn't mean the least left will ever be liberal enough for the most liberal states to be content.
@ Ace
I don't think the middle east is really comparable to an US division. Many of that regions problems have their basis in ethnic and religious tensions and the fact that an outside power did the carving up. Americans coming to an agreement for Americans would likely avoid all that.
Power grids and interstates can be solved with agreements between the newly formed nations. Healthcare system adapted or scrapped. Doesn't mean it can't be done, just that it'll be painful initially.
Kinda like a real divorce honestly.
You know Ace of Spades, I find what you say about infrastructure and everything else falling apart very interesting. When I use to frequent Dailykos (a liberal blog) people were always going on about how we should just let the South secede because they always took more money from the government than they gave in and that the coastal and northeastern states were paying for everything. But, I've been under the impression that the top 1% even if they have a much lower tax rate still pay most of the country's taxes just by the fact they own so much of the country's money and most of them live in blue states (especially California and New York) and plus there is/are so many/much more military bases and federal land in the red states, which is of course payed for by the government. I always figured all of these things fueled the red state/blue state divide when it came to taxes. Can anyone confirm or deny this, I've looked for this on the internet a few times but have always come up empty one way or the other.
Incidentally, the hatred of the South is one of the reasons I left that blog, it (or rather some of the more obnoxious and frequent posters) just go way to bigoted and self-righteous in their hatred of everything Southern and/or not urban.
edited 8th Jul '13 4:13:43 PM by KBSL
I disagree,..the country as a whole was freaking Scandinavia before Reagan came along and started up this idiot "Gubment is bad" "Welfare queen secretly rich" "All taxes bad" crap.
The GOP started up the EPA before Reagan,...now they keep trying to discredit that organization.
Mondale,Dukakis probably could've had a better chance at the Presidency before Reagan happened.
Look at the 1976 debate,...Ford vs Carter. Ford wanted tax cuts for the middle class and the rich,while Carter did call him out at least there was some effort.
Ford would be a conservative Democrat with that attitude now.
The fact that Clinton beat Brown,and the Dems pretty much shunted off their base.
No,...this country is not getting further left,or if it is,it's gonna be a loooooong way until it gets back to pre-Reagan leftism.
edited 8th Jul '13 2:51:34 PM by terlwyth
Only an idiot or a very uninformed person thinks the South is "alien." I was born and raised there, and since then I've lived on Guam and in Nebraska. Neither of those places are significantly different. Not any more different than Maine is from New York. Hawaii is the most culturally different, and that's pushing it, and I'd hope you don't think Hawaii should be bombed.
The most edgy person on the Internet.Forty-one percent of Texas voted for our current president, and forty-four percent of South Carolina - both of which are Republican bastions. That's not a majority, but it is in no way an ignorable, negligible or irrelevant slice of the general populace.
And it sure as a hell of a lot of people to piss off by telling them that they just don't have enough in common with the yanks, so they might as well secede. I fail to see how the differences between us now are any more divisive than those that we dealt with through the Civil War - and I should hope everyone remembers how that ended.
edited 8th Jul '13 3:07:07 PM by Karkadinn
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.@I confuse me: When a guy takes the position that we should just bomb the fuck out of their fellow citizens I figure it's a fair comparison to what happened in the Middle East during the war. Not only that, he said they should use nukes, even though that comment has been modded out now. I wasn't even talking about the political division, I was talking about the devastation of war tricksterton was saying should be done.
This isn't even getting into the fact that after the Civil War, secession from the country is probably illegal.
@KBSL; there's an argument I read that says the split is becoming more urban/rural, since urban centers in the South voted heavily for Obama. And Austin is known for being very heavily liberal as far as its populace goes. despite being the capitol of one of the most conservative states.
edited 8th Jul '13 3:10:10 PM by AceofSpades
