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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#57776: Jul 6th 2013 at 9:23:02 AM

This video is on-topic about the easing of restrictions on cursing and nudity on airwaves and opponents thereof:

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57777: Jul 6th 2013 at 9:31:48 AM

Jay Nixon. The only sane non-national politician in Missouri

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#57779: Jul 6th 2013 at 11:46:56 AM

So, once more, Oregon is a nice place.

Note that by affecting all graduates, we also get proportionately more from the people who get dick-over-head rich.

edited 6th Jul '13 11:49:19 AM by Pykrete

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57780: Jul 6th 2013 at 1:12:04 PM

shit like that would never pass in missouri. people here are so anti-tax they refused to build anew highschool to replace a 120 year old one in my hometown or even add air conditioning to it till recently.

Hermiethefrog Since: Jan, 2001
#57781: Jul 6th 2013 at 1:56:38 PM

[up][up] WHAT. Oh my god I want to go to Oregon.

Seriously though that is great. And if people don't want to have to give up part of their pay checks then they can have the option to pay tuition up front too, right? I hope other states follow. Unfortunately it'll do jack and shit for me since I have two years of school completed already but yes. I am in full support. Make it so.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57782: Jul 6th 2013 at 2:05:57 PM

God dammit PA, why can't you do that? Oh yeah, it's because Corbett is an idiot that hates education and retirees but gives tax breaks to natural gas companies.

edit: I will never forgive my parents for voting for that man. Fortunately they're not thrilled with him either. He's been threatening retirement benefits for school employees which they fall under.

edited 6th Jul '13 2:10:18 PM by Kostya

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#57783: Jul 6th 2013 at 2:37:18 PM

Woof, I don't actually know if that's a good idea or not. Instead of a flat loan, they take 3% of your income for 24 years. Obviously I can't speak for everything, but I think I'd get a better deal just taking the loans. For example: if you're making an average of 50k a year, then 3% of that for 24 years is 36k — and the article says that the average Oregon student graduates with 24k and change in debt.

It's certainly a good program to have available, because some people simply wouldn't be able to afford to go to college otherwise, but I don't think I would have taken it if it had been offered to me.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#57785: Jul 6th 2013 at 2:53:00 PM

Woof, I don't actually know if that's a good idea or not. Instead of a flat loan, they take 3% of your income for 24 years. Obviously I can't speak for everything, but I think I'd get a better deal just taking the loans. For example: if you're making an average of 50k a year, then 3% of that for 24 years is 36k — and the article says that the average Oregon student graduates with 24k and change in debt.

My internship paid $14/hr. 40 hour week, 52 weeks a year, 24 years, comes out to a touch under $700,000 (pre-taxes — a huge chunk came out of it before I ever saw it). 3% of that is a touch over $20,000.

The average college graduate has about $25,000 in debt. Not counting what money they put into it before they went into debt.

Also, no interest. Also scales with pay, so the rich effectively get taxed. Also happens as you make money, instead of trying to squeeze it out of you before you can get a job at all and ruining your credit before you can get your foot in the door at all.

edited 6th Jul '13 2:58:49 PM by Pykrete

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57786: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:11:44 PM

For the record, that accident is being discussed in the aviation topic in Yack Fest.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57787: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:14:44 PM

[up][up]

yeah. if I got a choice between whats essentially interest-less debt that only comes after me when I have a job or student loans..imma go with A.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#57788: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:30:13 PM

Yeah SFO was placed in a terrible area,...literally ten miles further south and fog wouldn't have been a problem

And as for the Oregon thing,...a shame California probably won't be seeing that soon.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57789: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:45:12 PM

The advantage of the Oregon plan, from what I can tell, is that it's a fixed percentage that you pay over a long period of time. It's still an extra tax but I think it's a lot better than throwing a student with over 120k of debt into a terrible job market and demanding they begin repayment within the first year even if they can't get into the field they want.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#57790: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:46:22 PM

Some elements of the GOP have been fighting under a Nullification mentality. It's one of those nothing things, given that even if they did try to nullify federal law, it would do nothing to stop federal agents from enforcing it within state boundaries (see: drug laws). It's still one of their more annoying crusades, since it's a question that was settled all the way back during the Jackson Administration.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57791: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:48:52 PM

I do not think that Nullification will be settled until a court is asked to review it. We know how it's going to end, but until it happens, they won't shut up.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#57792: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:49:43 PM

I hate it when principle of intention trumps a realistic consideration of policy effects.

Standardized testing is like that.

Schoolchildren not doing well? Well, clearly, they aren't learning enough.

They're not learning enough? Well, what's supposed to guarantee that they are learning enough? Tests. So guarantee it harder, by making the tests tougher!

Result: People wasting more time studying for standardized tests, teachers wasting more time preparing students for standardized tests, with a lack of guarantee that the purpose of the tests actually serves a practical purpose other than "be harder".

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57793: Jul 6th 2013 at 4:17:57 PM

[up][up]

no they wont.

Its already been settled before that federal law always trumps state law. That now they want Nullification just proves thhat when told no, they automatically look for a loophole in no.

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#57794: Jul 6th 2013 at 4:29:32 PM

If they try it, deny their congressmen and senators to Congress under the "a republican form of government" clause. :P

Dumbo
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57795: Jul 6th 2013 at 4:30:16 PM

I remember how the whole nullification issue started.

Hamilton: "Federal law shall trump State law."

Jefferson: "Go eat a dick."

And because of that conversation, this debate has raged on for centuries.

The defense industry is plotting a new attempt to do away with the budget cuts on tap for the Pentagon in 2014.

edited 6th Jul '13 4:30:38 PM by deviantbraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#57796: Jul 6th 2013 at 6:22:50 PM

...Well, that's it. I'm moving to Oregon.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57797: Jul 7th 2013 at 1:54:00 AM

@Pykrete: One minor problem. Those who start rich won't be joining this program, they'll be going to private universities that don't come with strings attached.

Other than that, it's a neat idea.

@Jovian: You're forgetting that that 25k in debt accrues interest, which isn't entirely trivial.

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#57798: Jul 7th 2013 at 4:44:10 AM

I like Oregon's plan, but I have to wonder where all that money is going to come from. Are there going to be more infrastructure repairs falling behind? Pay cuts for teachers? Other issues I am too tired to think of right now?

Oh, I would take what they are offering, but I am also wondering what some of the not-obvious things are.

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Ringsea He Who Got Gud from Fly-Over Country,USA Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
He Who Got Gud
#57800: Jul 7th 2013 at 8:06:04 AM

"Threatened?"... So he knows it's a bad thing?

EDIT: Those comments make me even sadder. Trolls all around.

edited 7th Jul '13 8:10:47 AM by Ringsea

The most edgy person on the Internet.

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