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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
What would be the basis for overturning Roe v. Wade? If it's a human rights issue then I'd think the rights of the woman would supercede those of the child. By saying a woman can't abort the baby you'd be saying she has less right to her body than a corpse does.
The collapse clause.
"Roe v. Wade's "collapse" clause says: "The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a “person” within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment. The appellant conceded as much on reargument. On the other hand, the appellee conceded on reargument that no case could be cited that holds that a fetus is a person within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment."
edited 6th Jul '13 7:02:59 AM by occono
DumboThe basis of overturning of Roe vs Wade actually is that reading "[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" as "women have a right to privacy that forbids the state governments from outlawing abortion except under certain circumstances" is a jump of logic.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThat is the most common argument I hear against Roe in general.
I have wondered about the argument in your post too. It was once an issue in the Unborn Victims Of Violence Act.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanSenator Blunt (R-MO) : No evidence Obama used IRS to target political enemies
Obama Administration to extend minimum wage to home care workers
Yeah, it was. Actually I went to the wikipedia article for it to get that quote.
I don't support the argument, I'm saying it seems like there's a coordinated effort to get a bunch of laws passed and appealed to SCOTUS, I read news articles about people apprehensive on challenging them. So I'm just speculating here.
Dumbo@Abortion
This subject has recently become my yearly bizarre fascination.
And to be honest, one of the recurring themes in this debate is both sides mainly subscribe to a 'black and white' mentality on the issue. And considering this may be the Grayest issue in modern US Politics this can kinda be insulting.
Granted when one side sees the issue as a Civil Rights issue, and the other as an issue of life and death it's understandable that there is a lack of middle ground. But it's more than both sides simply not understanding each; they also hate each other with a seething passion.
The Pro-Life faction sees the opposition as a bunch of sociopaths who are fine with genocide in the name of Feminism/Liberalism/etc.
The Pro-Choice faction sees the opposition as a bunch of Hyper religious old men who oppose abortion solely because they want to control women's uterises.
Granted not everyone on either side subscribes to this mindset, but it's still far to common for my taste.
Pro-Life groups do tend to guilt people into not having abortions. But they justify it by saying that the end (saving lives) justifies the means. Which I can understand (though not necessarily agree with). It's the same excuse Anti-Smoking groups use when they guilt people into stop smoking.
But that's just my two-cents on the issue. I might be somewhat biased because of particularly vocal groups.
edited 6th Jul '13 8:17:39 AM by deviantbraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016actually, at least for this pro-choicer, my personal feelings is its the religious control womens bodies types that poisonb the debate by convincing all other pro-lifers we're all baby murdering terrorists when really all we want is contraceptive methods that work better than prayer and hoping the kids never figure out the penor goes in the penor shaped hole if we dont tell them.
something that I think most pro-life types would agree with if they werent being constantly told we're, as you put it. sociopaths willing to murder children in the name of liberalism.
edited 6th Jul '13 8:07:07 AM by midgetsnowman
Republican lawmaker smells a 'big, fat rat' in ObamaCare implementation delay
Conservatives Blame Obama, Not Sequester, For Military Fireworks Cutbacks
GOP Rep. Jenkins: Democratic inaction caused student loan interest rate hike
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She. and way to only read the headline or being a very bad skimmer
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Republicans and the Obama administration wanted to tie the interest rates to Treasury bond rates...
Yes those evil republicans in the Obama administration, oh wait. Also just extending it at yearly intervals means this would happen sooner or later anyway so the democrats plan was stupid as well.
edited 6th Jul '13 8:59:49 AM by lordnyx
Missouri governor Jay Nixon vetoes bill that nullified federal gun laws

edited 6th Jul '13 3:59:12 AM by Medinoc
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