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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#57751: Jul 6th 2013 at 3:58:57 AM

[up][up][up][up]That was a very interesting article. Bookmarked and saved.

edited 6th Jul '13 3:59:12 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#57752: Jul 6th 2013 at 7:02:21 AM

What would be the basis for overturning Roe v. Wade? If it's a human rights issue then I'd think the rights of the woman would supercede those of the child. By saying a woman can't abort the baby you'd be saying she has less right to her body than a corpse does.

The collapse clause.

"Roe v. Wade's "collapse" clause says: "The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a “person” within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment. The appellant conceded as much on reargument. On the other hand, the appellee conceded on reargument that no case could be cited that holds that a fetus is a person within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment."

edited 6th Jul '13 7:02:59 AM by occono

Dumbo
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57753: Jul 6th 2013 at 7:05:07 AM

The basis of overturning of Roe vs Wade actually is that reading "[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" as "women have a right to privacy that forbids the state governments from outlawing abortion except under certain circumstances" is a jump of logic.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57755: Jul 6th 2013 at 7:13:11 AM

That is the most common argument I hear against Roe in general.

I have wondered about the argument in your post too. It was once an issue in the Unborn Victims Of Violence Act.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#57757: Jul 6th 2013 at 7:19:45 AM

Yeah, it was. Actually I went to the wikipedia article for it to get that quote.

I don't support the argument, I'm saying it seems like there's a coordinated effort to get a bunch of laws passed and appealed to SCOTUS, I read news articles about people apprehensive on challenging them. So I'm just speculating here.

Dumbo
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57758: Jul 6th 2013 at 7:22:16 AM

Re the Blunt thing: So, they have finally arrived at the conclusion?

Re the FCC: Whew, that's a lot of complaints. Are these people really that fickle?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57759: Jul 6th 2013 at 7:31:25 AM

No its just the moralistic types think even a casual boob appearance will turn 5 year old johhny into a homogay rapist

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57760: Jul 6th 2013 at 7:36:01 AM

@Abortion

This subject has recently become my yearly bizarre fascination.

And to be honest, one of the recurring themes in this debate is both sides mainly subscribe to a 'black and white' mentality on the issue. And considering this may be the Grayest issue in modern US Politics this can kinda be insulting.

Granted when one side sees the issue as a Civil Rights issue, and the other as an issue of life and death it's understandable that there is a lack of middle ground. But it's more than both sides simply not understanding each; they also hate each other with a seething passion.

The Pro-Life faction sees the opposition as a bunch of sociopaths who are fine with genocide in the name of Feminism/Liberalism/etc.

The Pro-Choice faction sees the opposition as a bunch of Hyper religious old men who oppose abortion solely because they want to control women's uterises.

Granted not everyone on either side subscribes to this mindset, but it's still far to common for my taste.

Pro-Life groups do tend to guilt people into not having abortions. But they justify it by saying that the end (saving lives) justifies the means. Which I can understand (though not necessarily agree with). It's the same excuse Anti-Smoking groups use when they guilt people into stop smoking.

But that's just my two-cents on the issue. I might be somewhat biased because of particularly vocal groups.

Nearly two-thirds of people don't want their kids to grow up to be politicians, according to a new poll from Gallup.

edited 6th Jul '13 8:17:39 AM by deviantbraeburn

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57761: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:06:01 AM

actually, at least for this pro-choicer, my personal feelings is its the religious control womens bodies types that poisonb the debate by convincing all other pro-lifers we're all baby murdering terrorists when really all we want is contraceptive methods that work better than prayer and hoping the kids never figure out the penor goes in the penor shaped hole if we dont tell them.

something that I think most pro-life types would agree with if they werent being constantly told we're, as you put it. sociopaths willing to murder children in the name of liberalism.

edited 6th Jul '13 8:07:07 AM by midgetsnowman

Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#57762: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:29:48 AM

Any chance the Republicans will put forth anything to provide for all the unwanted children that result from this? You know, besides saying "shame on you for not caring for this child we practically forced you to have"?

edited 6th Jul '13 8:30:50 AM by Morgikit

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#57763: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:30:46 AM

[up] Probably not, and that's the worst thing. Banning it would be acceptable if there was a security net in place for all the resulting children, and it could be guaranteed.

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57764: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:33:19 AM

Republican lawmaker smells a 'big, fat rat' in ObamaCare implementation delay

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57765: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:35:33 AM

I see some annoying lobbies in Obamacare's delay.

I also see a lack of evidence in favour of the "political reasons" argument.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57766: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:40:37 AM

Conservatives Blame Obama, Not Sequester, For Military Fireworks Cutbacks

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#57767: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:41:49 AM

Yeah, the party that voted to stop Obamacare repeatedly to no effect whatsoever can't really say the Federal government slowing down on implementation is some sort of conspiracy.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57768: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:44:37 AM

[up]

sure they can.

I mean, this is the same party that has people like Rick perry who think abortion is the second most common surgical procedure in the US

Facts arent really their thing so much as wild baseless accusations based on specious conspiracies

edited 6th Jul '13 8:45:03 AM by midgetsnowman

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57769: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:44:55 AM

GOP Rep. Jenkins: Democratic inaction caused student loan interest rate hike

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57770: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:45:30 AM

[up]

by inaction, he means 'refusal to bow to republican interests"

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57771: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:51:40 AM

Inaction to what, the Republican plan to make it even higher than 6.8%? That was what the GOP wanted! Yeah, screw you. Yet another reason why I'd never vote for these assholes.

lordnyx Since: Aug, 2009
#57772: Jul 6th 2013 at 8:53:48 AM

[up][up]She. and way to only read the headline or being a very bad skimmertongue.

[up] Republicans and the Obama administration wanted to tie the interest rates to Treasury bond rates...

Yes those evil republicans in the Obama administration, oh wait. Also just extending it at yearly intervals means this would happen sooner or later anyway so the democrats plan was stupid as well.

edited 6th Jul '13 8:59:49 AM by lordnyx

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57773: Jul 6th 2013 at 9:03:15 AM

[up]

I didnt read the article. I've long since decidfed that there is no such thing as a republican politician worth listening to because all they wanyt is to make my life miserable anyhow.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57774: Jul 6th 2013 at 9:05:59 AM

[up][up]Wouldn't be the first time Obama wanted to do something I didn't like.

edit: The Democrats aren't perfect but the Republicans have a lot more policies I hate. This is just another strike against them.

I like Warren's idea.

edited 6th Jul '13 9:06:46 AM by Kostya

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57775: Jul 6th 2013 at 9:06:33 AM

Missouri governor Jay Nixon vetoes bill that nullified federal gun laws

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