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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
See, that is evidence I'll accept about the brutality of U.S. prisons. Fucking Texas, as they say.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"So he's a revolutionary, now? Fighting from the inside, taking it to The Man, striking a blow for freedom. He's joined the plucky resistance, the global brotherhood of all who are Good and Noble and must Resist the Coming Darkness.
We don't live in a comic book, Ramidel. We have a system, a country founded on the rule of law. There are mechanisms in place to protect us from tyranny but they only work if we use them. Not all countries are so blessed.
edited 3rd Jul '13 9:44:04 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"About Snowden :
Deep Throat keep his identity secret for years. And there are more than 30.000 draft dodgers who escaped to Canada and later get pardoned by Carter. i don't see why avoiding prison become Snowden 'bad marks', MLK in jail for very short sentence, Snowden and Manning could get decades in jail. i see nothing wrong with self-exile until condition in home country change, there is no benefit, both for Snowden or for privacy cause in America, by Snowden coming to America.
a Hero is someone who make his country/society change for better, selfishness and self-interest does sometime make someone a hero. if privacy law in internet changed because Snowden action within next twenty years, Snowden is a hero.
@Ramidel: he may not accept the government and its actions as legitimate, but he flat out had to realize it has the power to prosecute him for violating his agreement with them. Since, you know, the US has very real political influence and power over the world, and is the country in which he was born and a legal citizen of. I sincerely doubt that he was foolish enough to think that he was going to get off scot free if and when his name was discovered in this whole mess. People can't just ignore the influence other people have over them. Particularly when you're apparently in a position to have the information of what influence they have over others. Which is likely why he ran away in the first damn place.
Their actions will be determined once the eye of history reviews them. But I highly doubt Manning or Snowden have the drive to create or participate in an entire movement the way King did, so somehow I doubt they'll have the same sort of effect in the long run. Or be remembered very well.
The TSA Is On Instagram, Posting Photos Of Confiscated Items
I don't blame Snowden for not wanting to fall all the way on his sword by staying in the US to face trial, myself. With how fickle the American people are, his chances of any sort of pardon are based purely on how long the attention of the American people can stay on him, which wouldn't be long enough.
Though I'd have already went to a government willing to grant me asylum and made the request before I ever leaked anything if I were him. Bad spy! Bad!
@Ace: I agree, it has the power. That's why he's running from it.
@Fighteer: Snowden clearly didn't think that the existing mechanisms for protecting America's people, or himself, from the US government were enough. So he went outside the law, and is now fleeing. I don't see anything morally inconsistent within that set of actions.
Personally, I like the idea of the rule of law. But it doesn't work if the people responsible for enforcing that law decide to ignore it, and Snowden clearly came to the decision that the system had become too corrupt to work within.
Not really sure how that's worth much news time unless you REALLY love your weird cheeses. I mean, I can understand why the FDA wants that monitored (not outright banned, it just seems the producer won't meet the FDA's standards of mites per whatever surface area). So like. They could make an American specific kind or something? I don't know.
X5, even if he couldn't make the request, you'd think he's have at least made sure he was already in Ecuador before the news broke, that way he could put the claim in strait away instead of getting stuck in Russia.
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Fixed it, stupid spell check.
edited 4th Jul '13 12:56:40 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

So apparently Justin Carter has been beaten and is on suicide watch.
Fucking Texas.