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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57351: Jun 29th 2013 at 6:46:22 PM

They do? I did not know that. I've never heard of a black preacher speaking out against gay marriage but I've seen tons of white ones.

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#57352: Jun 29th 2013 at 6:48:42 PM

As a black guy it more has to deal with the sub-culture that don't want to appear or seem gay like in rap and stuff.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57353: Jun 29th 2013 at 6:58:38 PM

It's annoying that people find it weird if you support the rights of a certain group without being a member of that group.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#57354: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:09:22 PM

They do not remember the old saying relating to Nazis about how eventually when they came for me,no one could help.

I'm sorry I don't remember it verbatim right now,but it started off with the Commies,then the gays,the other races,then the Jews,...and so on and so on.

This applies here,and it's why the GOP is floundering and somehow losing the minorities even more.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#57355: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:11:24 PM

First they came for the communists, then the trade unionists, then the Jews and then me.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Meklar from Milky Way Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
#57356: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:12:47 PM

It's annoying that people find it weird if you support the rights of a certain group without being a member of that group.
'Annoying' is kind of an understatement. I suspect that people have gotten away with a great deal of oppression and genocide throughout history for precisely this reason. There's even a famous quote on the subject.

edited 29th Jun '13 7:13:00 PM by Meklar

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57357: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:18:05 PM

That was written by a German? I thought a Brit wrote it.

I remember quoting that once to a person because they were trying to convince me that Nazis were essentially the same thing as communists/socialists because they had the word socialism in their name. They also thought they supported unions.

Meklar from Milky Way Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
#57358: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:21:21 PM

It's a disturbingly poignant quote these days. So much injustice, and so much apathy and demonization to enable injustice. I just hope America doesn't go down as destructively as the old 20th-century fascists did.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#57359: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:24:02 PM

I heard that a lot in my theology class, when my teacher was trying to reinforce his argument that Christianity was being oppressed in this country

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#57360: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:28:20 PM

@Meklar Yes that's exactly it,that's what I was looking for

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#57361: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:38:48 PM

[up][up]As usual, the dumbass missed the point — probably quite deliberately by warping it. tongue

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57362: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:40:11 PM

Regarding college costs, I wonder why we don't see more people going to state colleges. Is a functional state university system just an Alaska thing?

Why the hell would I want to go to Harvard if I can fund UAA out of my welfare money?

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57363: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:41:53 PM

Uh... I'm pretty sure that most people just go to college locally. I mean, my first school was definitely a state school. Not everyone is going to want to apply to Harvard.

Plus I'm not sure what you mean by welfare money. I don't think most states have that unless you mean student loans.

edited 29th Jun '13 7:42:38 PM by AceofSpades

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#57364: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:42:05 PM

A lot of the top-tier public universities are actually getting to be more expensive than private ones.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57365: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:46:20 PM

@Ace Of Spades: I mean that it's cheap enough that someone living on Social Security Disability can afford to go if they're careful about expenses and have limited assistance from family.

Again, maybe Alaska just has a Republican Party that knows how to keep the votes bought.

edited 29th Jun '13 7:47:13 PM by Ramidel

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57366: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:47:09 PM

Yeah, folks can't do that in Texas. I'm pretty sure that Alaska is a mutant aberration in that respect in America.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/24/1218422/-Hostess-but-not-its-workers-makes-a-comeback#

Apparently Hostess is coming back?

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57367: Jun 29th 2013 at 7:47:39 PM

Score one for the Northwestern Oil Emirate, then.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#57368: Jun 29th 2013 at 8:19:58 PM

I have such a weird relationship with Daily Kos. I really like it's creator, but most of their writers are obnoxious as fuck. I guess it's fair to say that what happened to Hostess is very possibly executive mismanagement, I'm no friend of executive class folk, but they have such a snide and pissed off tone on that site all the time.

Ironically as well I've found is that lots of followers at the Kos don't like the military, and it's founder did time in the Army and loved it. He used the same logic I sometimes use to annoy the shit out of co-workers where I bring up that the military is a socialist paradise.

edited 29th Jun '13 8:22:32 PM by Barkey

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57369: Jun 29th 2013 at 8:25:26 PM

what disgusts me most about Hiostess is you just know the same idiots who decried unions for killing twinkies still wont buy enough to make it financially viable, yet will celebrate its return by buying fucktons for a month or so.

IConfuseMe from Washington, DC Since: Jan, 2010
#57370: Jun 29th 2013 at 8:29:00 PM

About black opposition to gay marriage...

As someone who's black and gay, I've seen it first hand. I'd say the black community is about 15 years behind the rest of the country when it comes to LGBT.

Despite being staunch democrat supporters, the black community is quite religiously conservative. There is a very large percentage of overlay between the black community and the conservative southern baptist community.

The black community is on average further to the right than the majority of democrats in topics such as abortion, LGBT issues, and sex education.

If the republican party ever made an actual effort to ditch it's racist sections and stopped using race scares as a method of rallying the base, they would likely see a larger share of the black vote swing their way. It wouldn't cause a majority break, but it would go a long way to swing some.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#57371: Jun 29th 2013 at 8:30:27 PM

All I know about Hostess is that their products sell badly enough in Canada that my local grocery store actually still had Twinkies on the shelf because no one wanted to buy them. It didn't help that they were placed right next to the fresh bakery though.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57372: Jun 29th 2013 at 8:39:32 PM

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Yeo. Thats the hilarious irony. The Latinos and blacks probably would vote republican based ion similar religious morals..if the republican base wasnt so busy blaming black people and latinos for everything imaginable.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#57373: Jun 29th 2013 at 8:40:20 PM

In Salinas v Texas, the court ruled that if you're silent when asked question during arrest, that is an admission of guilt.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#57374: Jun 29th 2013 at 8:42:07 PM

[up][up]I still question that to some degree. Their social ideals are a bit more in line with conservative values but I'm fairly certain they're to the left economically. I feel like they'd view that as more important since it relates more directly to the terrible situation many of them find themselves in.

IConfuseMe from Washington, DC Since: Jan, 2010
#57375: Jun 29th 2013 at 9:01:44 PM

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I don't think it would give them a majority of minority votes, but I think it would break the democrat hegemony. I imagine it would be enough to tilt a few of the swing states toward the right, and slow down the purpleing of places like Texas.

Obama won Virginia in the 2012 election by about .3 percent after all, for example.

And plenty of working class whites and the elderly favor the republicans over the democrats due to social issues, despite being more economically vulnerable and likely recipients of democrat social programs so I think it within the realm of feasibility.


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