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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57201: Jun 27th 2013 at 8:35:16 PM

We could also increase job growth by encouraging growth in the energy sector; training coal miners and such in how to install solar panels and shit. And building trains and buses, and hiring people to run those things. All sorts of crap that doesn't rely on climate change.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/27/a_no_lose_fix_for_the_voting_rights_act/

Some thoughts on the VRA and what could come of trying to push a universal version of section 4 that got struck down.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#57203: Jun 27th 2013 at 9:01:24 PM

This probably has already been linked, but wow. He shouldn't have stooped to this level.

And as one Tumblr user pointed out, his "the louder they scream, the more we know we are getting something done" comment is contributing to rape culture, not to mention it's demonizing the other side.

It's too bad there's little we can help concerning the political turmoil Texas is suffering. But regardless of whatever you opposed or supported the bill, its backers' practices and defenses have been unethical and harmful, and we must draw attention to what's happening to help stop future occurrences like this.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57204: Jun 27th 2013 at 9:05:42 PM

[up]

Actually that hasn't been posted yet.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#57205: Jun 27th 2013 at 9:44:13 PM

While Texas tried to pass its own anti-abortion omnibus bill, Ohio succeeded in doing so through the legislature at least.

The bill would require that the facility providing abortion services disclose how much money they make off of abortions, talk about how much pain the fetus would feel (even though there's virtually no conclusive proof that the fetus feels any pain before the third trimester), tell the patient that abortion and breast cancer are linked (it isn't, any more than not having children and breast cancer are linked), requires an ultrasound which the patient is forced to watch while the doctor humanizes the fetus (even going so far as to describe how many fingernails it has), and doubles the wait time.

All of it meant to scare or guilt women into not having an abortion. Or make the provider look eeeeevil.

edited 27th Jun '13 9:50:19 PM by Enkufka

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57206: Jun 27th 2013 at 10:38:32 PM

Republican lawmaker to NFL and NBA: Don't do ObamaCare's 'dirty work'

edited 27th Jun '13 10:38:56 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57207: Jun 28th 2013 at 12:24:05 AM

Ace said my viewpoint on assimilation better than I could.

America will eventually become Hispanic-majority (predominantly Mexican and Central American) and be heavily influenced by said Hispanic culture. I'm cool with that. English as a first language is not going away, neither is the American Dream (that'll only go away if we stop letting immigrants in), and neither are our constitutional freedoms. Hell, Mexicans are partly coming to America because they want in on said American Dream.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57208: Jun 28th 2013 at 12:25:41 AM

@Enkufka: I can see it now. An abortion provider says "I am now legally required to lie to you and say that the fetus will be in pain and abortion is linked to breast cancer."

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#57209: Jun 28th 2013 at 1:12:40 AM

So, does anyone have anything to say about the apparent gutting of the Voting Rights Act? And also, the super racist voter restrictions laws being enacted in Texas and several other red states?

Edit: never mind, I went back and saw that you did.

edited 28th Jun '13 1:46:30 AM by KBSL

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#57210: Jun 28th 2013 at 5:52:39 AM

The Ohio bill will probably be slapped down in the courts due to a few constitutional violations even my eye can spot. Till then women will just have to hit 'nother state.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#57211: Jun 28th 2013 at 6:44:58 AM

Paul Krugman had a lot to say on Obama's climate proposal in his weekly column. Essentially, it's exactly what we need, since it's going to force businesses to invest in new plants, infrastructure, and generally spend money, and spending money is exactly what we need right now in a demand-driven depression.

In an ordinary environment, rising costs due to regulation would cause economic contraction, but in this situation, they don't, because the economy is demand constrained, not supply constrained.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57212: Jun 28th 2013 at 7:53:06 AM

Okay, so Obama has launched a blatant job-making stimulus plan that, in fact, will coerce companies into taking action to make jobs. And it's actually a plan I can get behind.

I'm clicking my heels, but they're not sending me back to Kansas. What gives?

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57213: Jun 28th 2013 at 7:54:00 AM

[up]

Obama's realized the best way to make the republicans look terrible is to force them to block another job creation plan.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57214: Jun 28th 2013 at 7:56:51 AM

How many people believe that it is a "job plan"? I'd assume a lot of them believe (without any facts to back it up) that it's a job killing plan.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#57215: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:02:49 AM

[up] I can see why — the assumption will be the opposite of Fighteer's. The assumption is that they'd shut the plants down and move power production overseas instead. Either that or rolling powercutsnote ...

edited 28th Jun '13 8:05:05 AM by Greenmantle

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57216: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:03:07 AM

[up][up]Well, yeah, but trying to convince those kind of voters Obama isnt a communist muslim atheist stalinist nazi fascist dictator is impossible anyhow.

[up]

which only happens because we're so damned lazy as a country we prefer buying cheap shit even if its only cheap if its been offshored to a third world country where human rights are a suggestion instead of a rule.

edited 28th Jun '13 8:04:25 AM by midgetsnowman

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#57217: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:04:38 AM

How would you move electricity production overseas, exactly? You can't ship it on boats.

Anyway, the Republicans can't kill this because it's all being done under the President's powers to enact regulation. He can direct the EPA to declare carbon a toxin/pollutant (if it hasn't already) and do everything he needs from there. The best part is that Congress can't stop him because any law to do so would be vetoed by Obama, if it even passed the Senate.

Essentially he's got three free years to address climate change.

edited 28th Jun '13 8:06:40 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#57218: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:05:46 AM

Supply it from Mexico or Canada smile. Either that, or start rolling powercuts...

Keep Rolling On
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57219: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:17:56 AM

@Fighteer: I'm seriously wondering what took Obama so fucking long to start doing this kind of thing.

The administrative branch of the government is huge. Just about any law you can imagine can be passed by someone somewhere in the Presidential chain of command.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#57220: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:19:59 AM

[up][up]Power companies are in it to make money like anyone else. If they abandon their duty to supply electricity, fuel, etc., then they lose income, and that's not going to fly with the shareholders.

Obama has them by the danglies, here. He always has, but so far had been putting his hopes in Congress. Not any more, it seems.

[up] I wonder, too. All I can think of is that he finally listened to the people who were telling him all along that the GOP would never, ever play ball.

edited 28th Jun '13 8:21:05 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57221: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:24:20 AM

[up][up]He wanted to win reelection. Can you imagine how much of a stink the GOP would have raised if he had done this a year ago?

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#57223: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:35:40 AM

So shuttering older plants reduces capacity. That's why you build more plants. I'm not seeing the logic in that article.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#57224: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:37:21 AM

The trouble is the plants aren't being built, and getting the plants through the Planning Process requires often takes quite a few yearsnote  — there is a danger there won't be enough capacity within two, three years.

edited 28th Jun '13 8:38:09 AM by Greenmantle

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#57225: Jun 28th 2013 at 8:40:19 AM

Welp: I'm used to rolling blackouts. It'll be a blast from the past. <shrugs>

Frankly, inertia will mean nothing will get done until the system really starts to show the strain in a way that nobody can deny. tongue It's... things like this that make me wonder just how smart it was to privatise the energy sector in the first place. <ponders>

edited 28th Jun '13 8:40:58 AM by Euodiachloris


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