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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#57101: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:13:04 PM

I kinda find it sickening though.

The man does everything right by his party line, decides to stand up for one issue he actually cares about and his party turns on him like rabid dogs.

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#57102: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:26:15 PM

That's the state of the party, unfortunately.

Kind of sad. It's deathly afraid of splintering, so they make everyone toe the line. If you cross it, even once and recant, you're fucked. They can't risk alienating any portion of their base for fear of not being able to recover. They don't have the cushion the Democrats do.

edited 26th Jun '13 3:27:15 PM by Completion

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#57103: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:28:03 PM

The Democrats were exactly the same back in The '80s - oh God, the party's falling apart, we're going to splinter, some people are moving us towards the centre and so are EVULZ!

This isn't new, what's happening to the GOP.

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#57104: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:34:12 PM

Nope, and the GOP could recover their position by doing what the Democrats did: cast off their extreme elements and move towards the center. The recipe isn't new; the question is whether they'll follow it.

edited 26th Jun '13 3:34:30 PM by Fighteer

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#57105: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:38:02 PM

They've got one more Dukakis to go then. Though the Democrats actually struggled for a full 20 years after riots broke out at their convention in 68 and somehow nominating the most left wing man possible in 72. From 1968 to 1992, the Democrats only won one election and that was by a razor thin margin. Every other election they lost by landslides. Sometimes winning only one state.

Speaking of Dukakis, he did much better than any other Democrat they ran. He thinks he only lost because of his death penalty answer which he admits sounded emotionless.

edited 26th Jun '13 3:41:38 PM by Completion

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57106: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:45:49 PM

[up]

If it hadn't be for Nixon's meddling Ed Muskie would have won the 1972 Democratic Primary instead of George Mc Govern.

Senator Cruz: Senate Democrats do ‘zilch’ to reduce the debt in their budget

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#57107: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:50:32 PM

[up] Nixon is an asshole, but a brilliant, amazing, genius asshole. Dear god, that takes some foresight. [lol]

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#57108: Jun 26th 2013 at 3:59:14 PM

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He also sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks in order to put himself in a position to deliver "peace with honor" and thus gain more electoral advantage by taking the country out of the Democrats' war.

He was a cnut of the first order.

edited 26th Jun '13 3:59:24 PM by Achaemenid

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#57109: Jun 26th 2013 at 4:00:13 PM

Edward Snowden Blasted New York Times Leaks In 2009: Leakers ‘Should Be Shot In The Balls’

Dat Irony

edited 26th Jun '13 4:01:55 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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#57110: Jun 26th 2013 at 4:05:27 PM

[up][up] He really is a political mastermind. A modern Machiavelli.

edited 26th Jun '13 4:06:06 PM by Completion

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HGW XX/7
#57111: Jun 26th 2013 at 4:07:25 PM

[up]

Machiavelli wouldn't have done that. Nixon's machinations cost lives.

Like I say: utter cnut.

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#57112: Jun 26th 2013 at 4:09:05 PM

Cruz, you are a toad who can't look beyond your own party's fault in the debt in the first place.

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#57113: Jun 26th 2013 at 4:14:54 PM

Rep. Sandy Levin (D-Mich.): Ecuador can kiss its trade preferences with the United States goodbye if it offers asylum to National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden

edited 26th Jun '13 4:20:51 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#57114: Jun 26th 2013 at 5:42:34 PM

I'm telling you Rubio wont make the nomination- he doesn't have the right mindset to please the base and push his own agenda at the same time.

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#57115: Jun 26th 2013 at 5:59:13 PM

With Gay Marriage, could this provide an economic boost? Not just because of more weddings but also because gay couples will now get extra benefits, which they will then spend and put into their local economy. I don't suppose anyone has crunched the numbers on how much the extra benefits that will now be handed out total? Could it be enough to give the economy a boost?

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#57116: Jun 26th 2013 at 6:50:21 PM

So while kind of off-topic I've always wondered, why exactly would legalizing pot/stopping the war on drugs cause the cartels to die?

Surely they can sell drugs cheaper and/or less safe but more addictive ones than any legal entity would/could, not to mention all the other criminal operations they already have/could have. So why would they die out?

In short, it wouldn't. Black market activity continues to thrive (and occasionally outright dominate) in pretty much any legal regulated substance, and many things that aren't substances. You see it in everything from countries legalizing drugs and prostitution, to legal OTC medicine, to stuff as banal as cigarettes.

Anytime you have regulation or taxing of a controlled substance, the black market will undercut it by a significant fraction of its cost and people will keep buying it from them. The market boost from legalizing it often balloons consumption enough that the black market actually makes more money than it did previously.

edited 26th Jun '13 6:50:39 PM by Pykrete

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#57117: Jun 26th 2013 at 6:57:03 PM

I thought that drug use was down in countries that made them legal. I'll have to look that up.

The basic idea behind that is this: People want what they can't have, hence why German teens tend to drink much less beer (it's been legal to give children small amounts of alcohol for years, they're used to it) as opposed to American teens, who think it's for adults only.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#57118: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:01:22 PM

It depends on the circumstances. Typically it goes down if it's decriminalized and treated as a matter of public health, but that's...rarely what happens.

As for people "wanting what they can't have", that's if anything an argument to keep marijuana illegal. By that logic, legalizing it and make the OMG REBELS go for something worse.

edited 26th Jun '13 7:03:14 PM by Pykrete

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#57119: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:07:34 PM

T Hat seems like slippery slope logic, given that it's been disproved that marijuana is a gateway drug. (I think.)

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He Who Got Gud
#57120: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:08:21 PM

Most people who do one illegal drug tend to other, stronger drugs once their body becomes "used" to the original drug's high.

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#57121: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:15:45 PM

Pretty sure my lifetime smoker of a mother hasn't gone on to do heroine, dude.

Ringsea He Who Got Gud from Fly-Over Country,USA Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
He Who Got Gud
#57122: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:16:16 PM

Most people. That's what studies say.

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#57123: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:19:53 PM

There is a correlation of hard drug users using soft drugs before they switched to somethinglike amphetamine, heroin or cocaine.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#57124: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:20:09 PM

[up][up] Which is really funny, because the vast majority of my friends up here have smoked pot, and none of them have gone on to do harder stuff.

edited 26th Jun '13 7:20:21 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#57125: Jun 26th 2013 at 7:23:41 PM

[up][up] It is a correlation. We think it's more of the "B typically preceded by A" than "A causes B" sort.


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