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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#56801: Jun 23rd 2013 at 11:23:46 PM

Well, considering climate change is a bit of a hot-button political/policy issue, I think so. Also, Obama's making a big speech about it tomorrow.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#56802: Jun 23rd 2013 at 11:24:49 PM

My city will join Atlantis somewhere in my lifetime.

You can't blame me for feeling angry right now that nothing will be done about it

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#56803: Jun 24th 2013 at 12:36:28 AM

Well, there's always the hope that we'll have developed giant, city-covering domes by then.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#56804: Jun 24th 2013 at 12:52:35 AM

[up]Given current political Clima, they would be called "President Democrats attempt to create his fascist bottle cities, where Air will be distributed only if you pay the IRS and gay's make annual hunger games with poor christians."

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ramuf Electric Heart from the Shining Throne Since: Jan, 2013
Electric Heart
#56805: Jun 24th 2013 at 1:24:50 AM

Oh I feel silly now. I stand corrected.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56806: Jun 24th 2013 at 3:47:22 AM

Senator Chuck Schumer Accuses Putin Of Helping Snowden: Seems ‘Eager To Put A Finger’ In Eye Of U.S.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#56807: Jun 24th 2013 at 3:50:21 AM

[up] Isn't that in Captain Obvious territory? Does that even need to be said?

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56808: Jun 24th 2013 at 4:33:49 AM

Senator Whitehouse (D-RI): Obama climate rules a ‘game-changer’ for carbon tax proposal

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#56809: Jun 24th 2013 at 4:38:56 AM

[up][up] Putin is Ex-KGB, right? He'd probably hate to have American Intelligence have any trouble whatsoever.

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#56810: Jun 24th 2013 at 6:36:28 AM

I do have to wonder what level of "in your face"-ness climate change will have to present for Republicans to stop ignoring it.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#56811: Jun 24th 2013 at 6:50:37 AM

When people are fleeing from Texas, Oklahoma etc. due to a severe water crisis, maybe.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#56812: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:12:14 AM

[up][up]When we're past the point of no return and people are dying en masse they might believe it. Unfortunately it's also equally likely that they'll blame government weather machines.

edit: Why do I feel like they're intentionally ignoring all advice?

edited 24th Jun '13 7:26:07 AM by Kostya

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#56813: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:34:00 AM

Here is a diagram about what Sledge is talking about.

And actually Miami won't be completely underwater by century's end. It would take about a 20 foot rise in sea levels to completely submerge Miami, but that isn't the point, it's gonna make hurricane storm surges even worse.


[up] Cause those giving the advice are moderates in the party and radicals don't care, they just want to keep pushing the GOP in the direction they want.

edited 24th Jun '13 7:35:16 AM by tclittle

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#56814: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:42:12 AM

Well, anyone who thinks that the GOP's platform is mired in anything vaguely related to reality should hopefully, finally, be getting over that notion.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#56815: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:46:05 AM

We need to get politicians to start getting people against concepts such as climate change and poverty again so we can stop getting at each others throats.

It's going to be difficult though, since humans have been at each others throats for forever.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#56816: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:49:43 AM

Opposing climate change is too profitable though.

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#56817: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:50:22 AM

It's clear to me from conversations I've had with people, here and elsewhere, that the GOP's primary voter base is engaged in a feedback loop of self-destruction. Their media empire has spent so much time fomenting reactionary attitudes that GOP politicians can no longer get elected without pandering to those attitudes, which reinforces them in a kind of death spiral.

Given that the Democrats have shown little sign of rising above this, partly because they are also stuck with the need to be the party of broad appeal and thus become paralyzed by diversity of opinion, I think that our only savior will come from demographics, as the rabid Tea Party style Republicans become irrelevant through sheer numbers.

The question is whether that will happen in time to do something about our coastal cities flooding and our crops being ruined.

edited 24th Jun '13 7:50:52 AM by Fighteer

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#56818: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:52:15 AM

[up]x6 Why do the Republicans do this? "We don't need to change our platform, just the way we present it!"

You are aware that when not told what party certain policies belong to, people favor the Democratic policies, right?

"Stop compromising." When did you start?

[up] I seriously don't understand why the really crazy Republicans refuse to acknowledge climate change. Argue and obfuscate the reasons all you want, but deal with the results. It's really hard to have corporate dominance when most of the major cities are flooding.

edited 24th Jun '13 7:54:11 AM by Zendervai

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#56819: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:54:49 AM

[up]Because they're convinced that they're right.

edited 24th Jun '13 7:55:29 AM by Kostya

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Lost in Space
#56820: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:54:55 AM

I hate to play scapegoat politics, but it really comes down to the media here. They play to sensationalism and the appearance of "respecting all sides of an argument" — i.e., the Cult of Centrism. Taking sides, even when one side is clearly right, is apparently too much for them to handle.

Then you get Fox News, which makes no pretense of being anything other than a feedback mechanism for conservative pandering, and you have a recipe for politicians being terrified of taking a stand on these issues.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#56821: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:56:16 AM

Also, the fact that at least the Republican House members are elected in safe red districts.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#56822: Jun 24th 2013 at 7:56:34 AM

[up][up]I really do hate the mentality that both sides can make equally valid points so we have to be fair to them. If one side is being blatantly ridiculous they deserve to get called out for it.

edited 24th Jun '13 7:56:44 AM by Kostya

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#56823: Jun 24th 2013 at 9:04:35 AM

Is is possible the Republicans and Democrats will destroy themselves within the next...twenty, thirty years?

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Lost in Space
#56824: Jun 24th 2013 at 9:06:11 AM

Republicans, yes. Democrats? What mechanism are you imagining for that to happen?

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#56825: Jun 24th 2013 at 9:09:35 AM

You mentioned this:

Given that the Democrats have shown little sign of rising above this, partly because they are also stuck with the need to be the party of broad appeal and thus become paralyzed by diversity of opinion

Basically, the Democrats get sucked into the Republicans' Death Spiral as well, leading to the demise of both parties.

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