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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56526: Jun 15th 2013 at 4:54:57 PM

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No. because the war on christmas type sees X-Mas as an attempt to take Christ out of Christmas. (even if it isnt)

Its either Say merry Christmas or else they scream at you for perverting their time of the year.

edited 15th Jun '13 4:55:42 PM by midgetsnowman

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56527: Jun 15th 2013 at 4:56:55 PM

I don't see why anybody is going "RAR Political correctness is evil" especially when their whining that the store employes don't tell them Merry Christmas. Does it really effect you that much that stores and teachers don't say Merry Christmas? Cause if your really bothered by the it than just celebrate like crazy at home.

edited 15th Jun '13 5:07:56 PM by Wildcard

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56528: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:02:45 PM

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as I understand it theyve been riled up to believe that the only reason people dont say merry christmas is because of evil anti-christian conspiracies to pervert christmas from a solemn, family friendly holiday that is all about Jesus into a commercialized, soulless entity as part of some wider war against christmas and christians.

The fact that people might not celebrate christmas and that slamming christmas in the face of other religions when those religions never get allowed similarly ostentatious displays of forcing their religon on the wider world never seems to register.

edited 15th Jun '13 5:03:47 PM by midgetsnowman

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#56529: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:05:10 PM

"Never seems to register?" Don't you mean "is a feature, not a bug?"

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56530: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:09:09 PM

I'd say its a bug in the sense they simultaneously get pissed if they cant have ostentatious plastic nativity scenes all over town yet get mad at people for "forgetting the true meaning of christmas", and either way consider it their right and no other religions right to ever have public displays of faith such as that.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56531: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:27:34 PM

at best Channukah gets lip service as "a shittier christmas for jews"

That's how I always felt about it as a kid. Hanukkah is like "Back to school, as a holiday!" or at least it was in my family. Oooh... Pencils, socks, t-shirts, chocolate gelt, et cetera...

^

I don't like those people either, frankly, both varieties annoy me. The ones who feel persecuted if someone else wants to say Happy Holidays are obnoxious, and the people who insist that others shouldn't say Merry Christmas is obnoxious. I don't think it's particularly important or worth giving a shit about. If a school says Merry Christmas, I don't particularly care. Same reason that despite being irreligious, I don't really give a shit about "Under God" being part of our pledge.

edited 15th Jun '13 5:29:37 PM by Barkey

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56532: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:29:23 PM

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Thats fair enough, But It still kinda comes off as insulting to me as a former christian that my ex-religion basiclaly expects the world to dance around its Holiday for multiple months and gets in my face and screams at me if I dare suggest Christmas isnt all that goddamn important.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56533: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:30:45 PM

^

I usually troll those people by saying the Christians just decided to steal it from the Pagans in order to promote their own religion.

When people get all worked up about nothing, I just sort of troll them regardless. Atheists and Christians alike.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56534: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:41:06 PM

I don't think "Under God" becoming part of the pledge because of the Cold War Paranoia was nothing.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56535: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:52:32 PM

I don't think it's a particularly big deal or worth getting all worked up over.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56536: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:53:46 PM

Given how were showing favor to Christianity by putting it there I think it is worth complaining about.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56537: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:56:25 PM

As long as there's no retaliation against me for not being a Christian and not being pushed to do anything Christian-based I don't really care if they show favor to Christianity in the form of words alone.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56538: Jun 15th 2013 at 5:59:49 PM

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be glad you dont live in Missouri where even saying the words "I'm not a christian" tends to earn you stares.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56539: Jun 15th 2013 at 6:02:57 PM

Saying that the nation is "Under God" or not saying it at all is pushing. Even if you don't care it doesn't make it right anyway.

Edit: Erased inaccurate statement.

edited 15th Jun '13 7:22:36 PM by Wildcard

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56540: Jun 15th 2013 at 6:03:17 PM

I'm rather indifferent to the bill or the pledge. So I guess I side with Barkley.

Joe Biden: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul in control of GOP

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Rep. Louie Gohmert Accuses FBI Of Aiding Muslim Brotherhood: ‘They Want Sharia Law, Not Our Constitution’

EDIT: I'm really getting sick of the Cruz Control joke.

edited 15th Jun '13 6:06:05 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56541: Jun 15th 2013 at 6:04:19 PM

The GOP. The only people on earth stupid enough to listen to Ted Cruz.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56542: Jun 15th 2013 at 6:08:23 PM

be glad you dont live in Missouri where even saying the words "I'm not a christian" tends to earn you stares.

I guess I'm just sort of fortunate in that regard, when I'm in casual conversations with people like that, I specifically bear-bait into saying that so I can pull the "Hey, I'm in the military and you aren't so fuck you." card whenever they try to do the whole "Murricah, Christian." card.

I guess I'm kind of an IRL troll in that regard. I specifically push really overbearing religious people into saying that, just so I can say "I'm not a Christian and I've done more for this country than you, so suck my dick."

I'm not patriotic at all and I love my occupation for completely separate reasons from god or country, but they don't know that. evil grin

edited 15th Jun '13 6:09:03 PM by Barkey

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56543: Jun 15th 2013 at 6:10:55 PM

Al Gore says Obama must veto 'atrocity' of Keystone XL tar sands pipeline

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#56544: Jun 15th 2013 at 6:18:16 PM

surprisingly enough, I'm with Al Gore on this one. We can get oil in other ways that doesn't require a Superfund site the size of Texas(and yes, I'm aware that tar sands in question are in Canada, so the EPA here wouldn't be involved, but the metaphor still applies)

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#56545: Jun 15th 2013 at 7:06:06 PM

@Wildcard: Isn't it illegal, nationwide, to require kids to say the Pledge?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56546: Jun 15th 2013 at 7:21:54 PM

Yes, I was wrong about it being a requirement. They can be strong-armed into it though in places where the majority are Christian. Even if they couldn't it shouldn't be there.

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#56547: Jun 15th 2013 at 7:59:02 PM

@Barkey: That's exactly what they did. Christmas was originally Yule and Saturnalia. Christians coopted Saturnalia to hide their own celebrations back when they were persecuted then proclaimed it "their" holiday when they got powerful enough to do the persecuting. Of course, if one beluieves Biblical accounts of the sheperds and their flocks being hailed by angels then Jesus couldn't possibly have been born in December

Trump delenda est
midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56548: Jun 15th 2013 at 8:25:05 PM

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Yeah..Sheperds werent big on having their livelihioods out in the fields in the middle of WINTER

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#56549: Jun 15th 2013 at 9:05:23 PM

It's Israel. The entire southern end of the country is pure desert in the Negev and the Wilderness of Zin. They moved their flocks out into the Wilderness areas near the Rift Valley between Galilee and the Dead Sea and moved them back towards the towns at night. It just rained a bit more in winter.

edited 15th Jun '13 9:06:15 PM by Zendervai

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56550: Jun 15th 2013 at 9:08:35 PM

Report: NSA admits listening to phone calls without warrants

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016

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