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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Er... maybe I am. Nader is... crap. Oh, he's a Green candidate. Never mind.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What would worry me is if the NSA had made attempts to avoid those checks and balances, but there's nothing to suggest that that's the case.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Dems trounce Republicans, 22-0, in 52nd annual Congressional Baseball Game
Speaker Boehner: 'I’m a little surprised' at weak defense of NSA from White House
Sarah Palin Rejoins Fox News As Contributor
edited 13th Jun '13 9:08:50 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Sarah Palin's favorite job: all the commentary, none of the responsibility.
Anyway, going back to the earlier debate over whether DDOS against the NSA would constitute terrorism or civil disobedience: I roughly agree with the reasoning that it counts as terrorism, but my question is, is it possible to apply civil disobedience to a surveillance program?
The most obvious form of "resistance" would be conceptually akin to a boycott — that is, don't use the information services that are known to permit PRISM access, and/or use encryption, proxies, and other kinds of secure communication that evade it.
You aren't actually disobeying any laws by doing that, though (depending on your country, of course).
edited 14th Jun '13 9:10:41 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"...You might as well tell people to switch from meat to tofu to protest the factory farming industry. It's just not going to happen.
Actually, modern communication technology probably is a lot more essential to survival than meat, come to think of it.
edited 14th Jun '13 9:24:48 AM by Karkadinn
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.Exactly. Like it or not, everything you do in the electronic age is recorded and can be accessed by somebody. I am all for centralizing this data collection and providing consumers with simple tools to control who gets access to their information and for what.
That said, governments will always have an overriding interest in this information, which is entirely legal so long as it is subject to appropriate oversight. Wishing otherwise is like wishing that the Sun would turn off.
edited 14th Jun '13 10:49:11 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Yahoo Reportedly Fought Against NSA’s PRISM Program In 2008 (And Lost) Before Joining
David Axelrod: Democrat Senator Merkley Too Busy Doing MSNBC Interviews To Be Briefed On NSA
edited 14th Jun '13 11:19:54 AM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016You aren't actually disobeying any laws by doing that, though (depending on your country, of course).
That wouldn't really be fair to some of those companies, Verizon, for instance, was given no choice, seeing as it was a court order. The level of choice given to the companies in this matter, regardless of if they were ok with it or not, isn't very visible given the gag order that's been placed on them.
A little late, but this video's for Barkey,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrmBAXVjp1s
Yeah, I want better oversight on government secrecy—remember when it turned out one agency wasn't even bothering with the rubber-stamp court?
Rick Santorum Laments: GOP Didn’t Use ‘You Didn’t Build That’ Enough Against Obama In 2012
"We didn't lie and misquote enough to get our guy into office! Oh, the humanity!"
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@ Barkey: Probably one or two companies were threatened with An Offer They Can't Refuse, as well.
edited 14th Jun '13 2:41:25 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnGallup: Governor Christie most popular GOP hopeful, Paul Ryan most popular with GOP base
edited 14th Jun '13 3:07:21 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016

Obama is indeed a centrist compared to what many Democrats were hoping they had voted for. He's made some strides to enact some progressive agenda items, but is vastly too conciliatory for what we need right now and desperately needs to find better advisers.
I wouldn't go so far as to call him a con man, but I can see why someone might think it.
Edited because I'm an idiot.
edited 13th Jun '13 7:52:28 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"