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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56076: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:38:33 PM

Ah I see how that could make one uncomfortable.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#56077: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:40:01 PM

Guys, think about Barkey's situation this way, would anybody say "Get over it," if it was say 45-year Harlem residents complaining about the influx of Starbuckses, sushi stores, and organic yogurt stands?

It was an honor
Robotnik Since: Aug, 2011
#56078: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:41:49 PM

[up] I'm sure plenty of people would.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56079: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:43:54 PM

As long as they're not pulling some sort of bullshit to knock people out of their homes and personal businesses, yes. Neighborhoods don't stay the same forever.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#56080: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:47:06 PM

$20 says both of you are hipsters. [lol]

It was an honor
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56081: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:50:05 PM

Man, I don't even know what hipsters are supposed to be aside from wearing plaid? Also if Starbucks makes you a hipster my sister's one far more than me.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#56082: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:58:11 PM

Guys, think about Barkey's situation this way, would anybody say "Get over it, " if it was say 45-year Harlem residents complaining about the influx of Starbuckses, sushi stores, and organic yogurt stands?

Yes. I know this with certainty. Cause I know someone who would. Namely me. And I am NOT a hipster. I'm a hippie. Big difference.

edited 7th Jun '13 9:58:38 PM by deathpigeon

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#56083: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:06:06 PM

Nostalgia is shitty justification for language policy. Nobody has the right to preventing their old neighbourhood from changing over 20+ years.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#56084: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:13:19 PM

The Harlem + hipster franchises example is one that has very real and horrible consequences for current residents of the area. Those kinds of establishments aggressively moving into poor areas tends to be a herald of dramatically rising property values, which forcibly uproot poorer residents as landlords charge more.

A sudden preponderance of Spanish signs in main town areas can indicate the opposite, which can still have negative consequences — by catering to lower-income demographics (as recent immigrants often are), property values drop over time, followed by public services as everyone but the businesses targeting that demographic are driven off, and crime will likely increase in the area.

It's very much an issue where any change at all is likely to screw people over unless great care is taken to ensure otherwise. The "proper" way to bring in immigrants or improve a poor district is one that pulls the lower part up to scratch via work training, startup support for local businesses and such, whether the poorer folks are the newcomers or the old guard — but naturally, that's not the priority of the larger businesses that engineer these changes.

edited 7th Jun '13 10:21:05 PM by Pykrete

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#56085: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:24:40 PM

[up][up] Yeah, all neighborhoods change. Like, my town used to have this really good fancy restaurant I loved to go to, but it's gone now cause the owner died and his son didn't want to continue the family business, and there was this awesome mexican breakfast place near where I lived, but I no longer live there, anyway. And there's been stuff added and stuff gone. Some good some bad. Nostalgia is rampant in some places and I sometimes wish things would be like they used to be. But I also sometimes wish I was back in Kindergarten. I'm not going to go and change policy or make things like they used to be.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56086: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:29:49 PM

[up][up]Which is why I said as long as they're not pushing people out and stuff. Which was not at all how the original complaint was shaped. It was just "signs are in Spanish and it feels like an invasion."

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#56087: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:33:13 PM

I'm assuming everyone here knows about PRISM and how it's a piece of shit?

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56088: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:35:57 PM

It's the surveillance thingy that's going on? I mix up and forget acronyms all the damn time so really it's best if you just actually describe what you're trying to talk about.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#56089: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:37:05 PM

[tup]Yeah. Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Skype, AOL, Facebook, Apple, Verizon, Paltalk and You Tube are keeping tabs on your emails, documents, video conversations et al under PRISM. They can see you typing even when you don't send anything, like the Google documents where you can have people look at you as you type a story and help you edit.

Not the standard conversations, from what I know, though.

edited 7th Jun '13 11:03:55 PM by Sledgesaul

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#56090: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:38:29 PM

Well, "pushing people out" can have various meanings. A resident can feel driven out without anyone ever actually ordering or asking them to leave.

For example, if I used to live in a dorm because I liked its being quiet, but then one year a bunch of new freshmen moved in and turned it into a party dorm, and I moved out because I didn't like the noise...was I pushed out?

edited 7th Jun '13 10:39:18 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56091: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:55:32 PM

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And funnily enough almost all of those groups deny being informed about PRISM.

So someone is lying, but the question is who?

edited 7th Jun '13 10:56:28 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#56092: Jun 7th 2013 at 10:56:46 PM

Talk about Big Brother. Corporations are more successful at it than anything else.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56093: Jun 7th 2013 at 11:03:00 PM

[up]

Well it was the NSA and the FBI that put them up to it.

This is a great article if you need information on PRISM.

The Army fired its top commander in Japan on Friday over charges that he “failed in his duties as commander to report or properly investigate an allegation of sexual assault.”

edited 7th Jun '13 11:08:14 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#56094: Jun 7th 2013 at 11:06:25 PM

And it's still a piece of shit.

Dude, Newt Gingrich thinks it's bullshit. He made a point to say, in effect, "I'm glad PRISM, sophisticated as is, found the Boston Bombers. Oh wait."

edited 7th Jun '13 11:12:51 PM by Sledgesaul

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56095: Jun 7th 2013 at 11:15:45 PM

I have never heard of Paltalk. But Google's supposedly got a good record on defending personal information. Not quite sure about the others. *shrug* But yeah I'd be more worried about what corporations do with your information than the government. What with corporations having such an influence on the government.

Sometimes I wonder if by the time someone who understands the technology now gets into government the tech will have advanced beyond their understanding, forever leaving us with a sense that the law simply can't catch up to tech ever.

Anyway, this probably isn't a case of anyone lying so much as phrasing the truth a specific way and being unable to tell all.

@Glenn; a dormitory typically isn't a permanent residence so I don't think that's really a good example. Most people expect their neighbors to change there.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56096: Jun 8th 2013 at 2:09:10 AM

I don't know that I really trust Google. They are getting far too invasive with this whole "YOU MUST USE GOOGLE+ FOR EVERYTHING. AND WE WILL CONTINUOUSLY NAG YOU TO USE YOUR REAL NAME ON YOUTUBE. NO YOU CANNOT SELECT "REMEMBER MY PREFERENCE".

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#56097: Jun 8th 2013 at 2:20:11 AM

Remember, when google keeps and scans all your data for advertisement purposes, eh, no biggie.

But when the government might do it in the interests of people's lives? PANIC.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#56098: Jun 8th 2013 at 2:24:18 AM

Banal advertisements don't tend to involve detention without charge, etc.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#56099: Jun 8th 2013 at 2:27:19 AM

Also, data collection for advertising is usually way wrong.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#56100: Jun 8th 2013 at 2:47:55 AM

[up][up]

Someone got held without charge because of a google search?

[up]

I thought people were upset over the fact that we were apparently being spied on in general, not because of the reasons. Which would mean there should be equal outrage.

edited 8th Jun '13 2:48:42 AM by Thorn14


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