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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56051: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:04:36 PM

NSA memo pushed to 'rethink' 4th Amendment

I really wish this site had a 'scared shitless' emoticon.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56052: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:10:31 PM

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speaking as a second generation immigrant who speaks english just fine, like most second generation mexican immigrants do? (because its far easier to learn the kanguage as a kid than as an adult. and half the first gen adults I know have at least a basic command of the english language out of necessity, but prefer spanish?)

My response to you is to go screw yourself, whitey.

;/

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#56053: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:11:20 PM

[up][up] Yeah, Jovian, what were you saying about "fucking hyperbole"?? Do I now have your permission to be horrified that my government wants to reconsider a founding right?

edited 7th Jun '13 7:12:04 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#56054: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:14:38 PM

[up]

In all fairness, half the founding rights get attempted to be redefined by one party or the other constantly. They just usually couch it in terms that sound nicer.

Robotnik Since: Aug, 2011
#56055: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:15:39 PM

[up][up][up] I can't really tell if that was an insult or not.

Long as you can understand me, I don't have a problem with you or your family anyway.

edited 7th Jun '13 7:31:24 PM by Robotnik

Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#56056: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:22:28 PM

*is a white person with no issue against the Spanish language* Just thought I would point that out.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#56057: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:32:23 PM

[up] Same here.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Robotnik Since: Aug, 2011
#56059: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:40:07 PM

[up][up][up] I don't have a problem with the Spanish language. All I asked was that people understand me when I speak to them in English.

I can't tell whether or not that was a joke on his part. If it wasn't, that's a pretty fucking low thing to say. Sure as hell not something I would do.

edited 7th Jun '13 7:40:38 PM by Robotnik

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#56060: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:46:07 PM

Yeah, Jovian, what were you saying about "fucking hyperbole"?
If you go past the bullshit deliberately-inflammatory-to-drive-more-clicks headline, the actual quote they're referencing is "The Fourth Amendment is as applicable to eSIGINT as it is to the SIGINT of yesterday and today. The Information Age will however cause us to rethink and reapply the procedures, policies and authorities born in an earlier electronic surveillance environment."

Pointing out that electronic communications now is vastly different than it was in the '70s and that difference requires rethinking about what rules apply and how is not the same thing as announcing your intention to allow Big Brother to see all and know all.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56061: Jun 7th 2013 at 7:56:10 PM

May Jobs Report Shows 175,000 Jobs Added, Unemployment Ticks Up A Tenth Of A Point

edited 7th Jun '13 7:56:26 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56062: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:21:57 PM

For people who supposedly support freedom of speech, fearing Spanish signage is fucking ridiculous. You would think that covers which language you use in life as well, with none of this bullshit "forcing them to do it" crap you seem to want. Obviously practicality and going to public schools means they'll need to do it anyway, but this "fear of invasion" is just bigotry.

(I'm from Texas. I give no fucks if signs are in Spanish. They probably speak better English than I do Spanish anyway.)

And yeah, examining how to apply the Fourth Amendment to modern day communications is not only practical, it's necessary for them to do their job at all. And a subject that came up recently in this very thread and forum. Hopefully this means less bullshit in the long run.

edited 7th Jun '13 8:22:31 PM by AceofSpades

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#56063: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:35:07 PM

Signs being in Spanish is...slightly more complex than that, albeit not much. For instance, having to make all your road signs twice as long just to transliterate everything a second time and maybe shrink the text to fit is a road hazard to everyone. At some point it really is best to operate in an official language.

edited 7th Jun '13 8:37:43 PM by Pykrete

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#56064: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:35:42 PM

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I don't know if you're talking to me, Barkley, or Robotnik but know one is saying they have to stop speaking Spanish. I just think that things like Spanish signs are curbing assimilation efforts.

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edited 7th Jun '13 8:37:57 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#56065: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:36:57 PM

Yeah I'm totally willing to call bullshit on the MEXICAN INVASION thing. Just looking at it pragmatically.

May Jobs Report Shows 175, 000 Jobs Added, Unemployment Ticks Up A Tenth Of A Point

Out of curiosity, how many of those are a) entry-level, and b) pay enough to afford rent, food, and insurance?

edited 7th Jun '13 8:49:38 PM by Pykrete

OhNoABear I'm back, baby. from Exiting, pursued by a... Since: Jan, 2011
I'm back, baby.
#56066: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:55:30 PM

Weirdly enough, the unemployment going up is actually a good thing here. It means more folk are back looking for work.

EDIT: "Means" is probably a little strong. "Implies" more likely.

edited 7th Jun '13 8:56:12 PM by OhNoABear

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#56067: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:56:40 PM

Yeah, the typically-reported unemployment rate is actually a deceptive number, as it doesn't include people who haven't found work and simply stopped looking.

There is an unemployment rate that includes those people, and it's got a different name.

edited 7th Jun '13 8:57:04 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

OhNoABear I'm back, baby. from Exiting, pursued by a... Since: Jan, 2011
I'm back, baby.
#56068: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:59:50 PM

Annual employment report, if I recall rightly from NPR this afternoon.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56069: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:10:45 PM

Would also like to point out that I'm almost tri-lingual... I'm actually fluent in Spanish and have a pretty decent smattering of Russian...

I'm not saying it makes me alienated because I get lost or can't read those signs. It makes me feel alienated because I often feel like I live in Mexico and not my own goddamn country. If a phone line has a spanish option, cool. If a sign has it in both english and spanish, cool. It's the fact that I'm seeing actual billboards on main thoroughfares in my town only in spanish. That bugs the everloving fuck out of me.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56070: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:15:03 PM

I don't think the Government is about to start printing road signs in Spanish or anything; that would probably be costly and I doubt they'd go out of their way to do something like put stop twice on a stop sign on a major highway. (I'm not sure how local street signs are covered, but those generally would only have one street name on them regardless of language.) And the complaint made was more about business signs, not safety signs the government puts up. Businesses can put up signs in whatever language they want so long as they abide by local safety standards.

So basically for official federal government things like safety signs I really don't think we're going to switch out of English. Except maybe Puerto Rico, but they're majority Spanish language anyway.

Rand Paul; you are a fucking hypocrite who would let big business do exactly the same and worse if you could have your way. Also, the IRS has to examine everyone applying for tax exemptions. It's kind of their job.

[up]You're the one with the "man up" philosophy, usually. It's not like the signs are out there to insult you.

edited 7th Jun '13 9:18:22 PM by AceofSpades

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56071: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:16:19 PM

[up][up]I don't see why it is a big deal. Especially if your not getting lost or having trouble communicating with people.

edited 7th Jun '13 9:16:44 PM by Wildcard

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#56072: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:25:42 PM

I don't see why it is a big deal. Especially if your not getting lost or having trouble communicating with people.

It's more on principle for me than anything. I've lived in California my entire life, and it feels way more like I live in Mexico than it did when I was growing up. I don't like it. I don't think it should be illegal, but it makes me uncomfortable. I'm not going to start burning signs that are in spanish or anything. Pretty sure under the first amendment I'm free to dislike things that make me feel uncomfortable so long as I'm not dicking with people over it.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#56073: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:28:54 PM

Yeah, I just don't get why it would be uncomfortable.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#56074: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:29:18 PM

Mexico did own California before the US did. In fact, we pretty much stole it from them. They should not have rehired that Santa Anna guy to run things, from what I understand, but they didn't appear to have many good choices.

Robotnik Since: Aug, 2011
#56075: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:31:09 PM

[up][up] Sounds rather visceral to me. The place where he lives is changing drastically from how it was when he grew up, and he finds it rather disturbing. I can see where the sentiment is coming from.

edited 7th Jun '13 9:31:23 PM by Robotnik


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