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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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It's somewhat better than going "civil, consumer and voters' rights? Who needs 'em, anyway!".
Which the Republican Party seems to do depressingly often. <_<
Especially not from his own party: he's not afraid to call them out on bullshit — which precious few within it are, these days — more's the pity. More with his attitude and willingness to voice it are needed.
edited 6th Jun '13 12:04:40 PM by Euodiachloris
Governor Christie appoints NJ Attorney General Chiesa to fill Lautenberg's seat
Speaker Boehner accuses Obama of trying to shut down government
Romney knocks selection of Rice as national security adviser
edited 6th Jun '13 12:49:44 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Um... maybe I should have qualified... As a Brit, well... surveillance, smurveillance... whatever. You guys are waaaay too picky about that, imo.
But, the right to decent, equal access to healthcare, equality in the work place and in the law? Trumps being snooped on by criminal investigation authorities. <_< Particularly if the right to a fair trial (which you guys seem to have become rather lax in) is a thing.
One of your parties is more involved with that lot than the other. Even if it doesn't go as far as I wish it would. The other seems to love undermining them every chance it gets. Personal opinion.
edited 6th Jun '13 12:49:17 PM by Euodiachloris
Representative Mike Rogers: 'Legal' NSA phone program 'thwarted' domestic terrorism plot
Senator Dianne Feinstein on NSA: ‘It’s called protecting America’
NSA chief, two weeks ago: ‘We’re the only ones not spying on the American people’
edited 6th Jun '13 12:59:56 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016No reason we can't have a good measure of both(privacy, that is).
Though I would rather keep my civil liberties and freedom not to be under lock and key over the other stuff. Civil Liberties are my #1 political concern as a voter. I don't trust the government to tell me what civil liberties are acceptable for me to have and I WORK for the Government.
@Maxima: Here is how I divide the political parties. The Democrats are cowards, and the Republicans are bullies.
It's as simple as that. To achieve political* progress, you need:
- To elect Democrats
- To make sure that the Democrats are more scared of the people than they are of the Republicans or the extremely wealthy
The Republicans have not shown a willingness to adapt to the public will and serve the long-term good since Eisenhower, and Eisenhower was an oppressive murderer. According to the Republican establishment, you adapt the public will to your political goals, not the other way around. There was no clearer example than when millions in the States alone protested the invasion in Iraq, and the W administration doubled down. The Republican establishment has broken down, and now a grassroots used to bully politics controls the party without oversight. They do not compromise and believe that it's better to have a government that does not govern at all than one that governs without conceding their every demand.
I don't think I can scare that into making political* progress happen. So, for the time being, I encourage people to vote Democrat and then terrorize their elected representatives such that they're frightened into doing what needs to be done. And note that I've noted political with an asterisk* twice, each time it came before progress. There's a lot to progress that comes from the people, and has to happen outside and around the boundaries of government. Strikes and civil action are the two best examples.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.I'd like to mention that the Civil Rights Act happened because LBJ and cooperating Democrats went against their party and promptly lost their seats to the voters they pissed off. That's kind of why the Dixies left and Nixon was able to get the parties practically reversed within a single election cycle.
edited 6th Jun '13 1:29:15 PM by Pykrete
At the very least then you need to keep the Democrats away from their slow push to annihilate the second amendment.. grumble grumble...
When Democrats stop doing that, I'll double down and call myself a Democrat. Until then, I am never, under any circumstances, voting for a Democratic candidate who is anti-gun and hasn't explicitly said they are pro-gun. I'll "waste" my vote on an independent instead.
edited 6th Jun '13 1:28:38 PM by Barkey
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Well, that will not happen now due to The Fall of The Soviet Union.
edited 6th Jun '13 1:55:48 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnThe way I see it, both parties have a track record of civil liberties violations. Quite a few questionable overreaches in government authority are legacies from previous presidents of both parties. That's one area you can expect to stay the same regardless of who you put in power.
I'm not saying it's not a mark against the democrats. It is. But it's certainly not democrat exclusive. Or even something the one could claim the democrats do more than republicans. So if that makes you not want to vote for democrats, you also shouldn't want to vote for republicans.
For the republican party to get my vote, they'd have to tone down the rampant and blatant racism, xenophobia and homophobia. They have to cull 95% of their current party leadership, remove their collective tongue from the anus of big business. Be more strict when it comes to enforcing the line between religion and state. Cut the disdain for the impoverished and stop screwing over of the working class. Also-
You know what, I'm just going to stop there. I honestly can't think of a single redeeming factor about them. If there was ever a time when the Democrat candidate was somehow as bad as or worse than the republican one, I'd just abstain from voting and apply for citizenship in Canada.
Or self-immolate in indignation. Either one works.
@Greenmantle: Remember the Civil Rights Movement?
@Barkey: I still think it should be down to the municipalities to decide.
Some sad news from Jefferson County, Alabama.
Worth reading up on; people got rather vocal.
EDIT:
Montana Republicans announced the start of a campaign to eliminate anonymous third-party spending in political campaigns.
See I'd like more of this from the Republican Party.
Someone forged the signature of a Utah Supreme Court Justice in order to get her recused from hearings on a legislative ethics law.
The forgery apparently was traced back to the Utah House of Representatives. That is some ballsy corruption.
Senate Republicans filibustered the following bill.
edited 6th Jun '13 2:48:50 PM by RadicalTaoist
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.![]()
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Because they don't give a fuck what happens to young people and their voters just go along with it.
How else does one pay bail?
edited 6th Jun '13 2:54:27 PM by Kostya

Christie/Huntsman 2016?
That'd be a tough ticket to beat.
Schild und Schwert der Partei