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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#55351: May 29th 2013 at 1:33:48 PM

If it actually came to blows, the Militia would still cause a lot of casualties. And that is the scary part.

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#55352: May 29th 2013 at 1:34:02 PM

@thatguythere 47: Quite possible. I went with that term because I feel for what Obama tries to do with his compromising and people call him a centrist. Basically, I went with the "tries to find/support the middle ground" definition. Though you could add "because it is what might actually be done" to that—which would make me quite pragmatic.

<shrug> there is a reason I don't generally label (or put much stock in labeling) "types of thought": I can never keep them strait and each person will have a different definition anyway.

edited 29th May '13 1:37:12 PM by Belian

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#55353: May 29th 2013 at 1:36:34 PM

[up][up]That. I know the militia would lose but this is the sort of thing that could cause home grown terror cells to spring up and harass the nation for years to come.

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#55354: May 29th 2013 at 1:37:37 PM

The USA becoming an Afghanistan?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55355: May 29th 2013 at 1:40:29 PM

[up]Maybe not to that degree but if these people get pissed off enough domestic terrorism could become a bigger problem than before.

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#55356: May 29th 2013 at 1:44:16 PM

I thought terrorism in the USA was mostly a matter of left-wingers and Muslims? Or is it that they get a disproportionate amount of publicity?

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#55357: May 29th 2013 at 1:45:44 PM

You forgot Oklahoma city, did you?

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55358: May 29th 2013 at 1:45:51 PM

[up][up]Left wing? Maybe I'm not remembering but I thought most of the domestic terrorists that weren't Muslim were more in line with the right.

In the past left wing would probably be an accurate view of them but not anymore from what I can tell.

[up]If that's directed at me then I don't know what you mean.

edited 29th May '13 1:46:13 PM by Kostya

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#55359: May 29th 2013 at 1:46:16 PM

All the US terrorist groups I've heard of have been over-the-top conservative, and usually white supremacists.

But that's a story for another time.
Know-age Since: May, 2010
#55360: May 29th 2013 at 1:47:29 PM

You could consider the ALF to be left wing, I guess.

edited 29th May '13 1:47:53 PM by Know-age

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#55362: May 29th 2013 at 1:58:12 PM

When I think "US domestic terrorist", I think "Hewie Freeman" and the lyrics of Rage Against The Machine.

"Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you."

Aren't violent rightwingers more likely to attempt to join the military or the police, and work directly for The Man, with society's blessing?

edited 29th May '13 1:58:32 PM by TheHandle

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#55363: May 29th 2013 at 2:00:22 PM
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#55364: May 29th 2013 at 2:04:33 PM

Yes, the Animal Liberation Front.

I think the the US Government considers the ALF/ELF as the most dangerous domestic terrorists in the US or something IIRC.

This could tell you something about how nonthreatening all the other US terrorists apparently are.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55365: May 29th 2013 at 2:05:53 PM

[up]Or it could just mean they haven't gotten violent yet. Given their love for guns and such I would be far more afraid of a terror cell that followed ultra-rightwing nationalism than a left wing one.

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#55366: May 29th 2013 at 2:11:37 PM

And that's probably why the IRS was targeting those very people. Suspected terrorists. Now the Republican party is trying to sanction domestic terrorism in the US! Why do they hate America?

But that's a story for another time.
Know-age Since: May, 2010
#55367: May 29th 2013 at 2:12:44 PM

I would hypothetically be more afraid of a Right Wing terror cell, too; I just don't think there are any known, active, threatening ones in the US.

EDIT: Speaking of the IRS, anyone remember that guy who flew a plane into their HQ a while ago? That would be a right wing terrorist.

edited 29th May '13 2:14:01 PM by Know-age

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#55368: May 29th 2013 at 2:25:16 PM

I just hope we get video of his "Revolutionary Militia" getting curbstomped by professional soldiers.

One thing to keep in mind is that a very high proportion of Kokesh and his followers are separated military members.

One of my friends who is former Army infantry and saw very heavy action in Iraq is a very radical Libertarian, and a massive supporter of Kokesh, so I've discussed this with him quite a lot. Kokesh could have accomplished something if he had kept his march to DC as the plan. Marching on all 50 state capitols with an ultimatum is absolutely absurd, and isn't going to end in a way that could be considered productive. Assuming that the protestors had did the march in DC as a demonstration with no real demands and didn't show any aggressive behavior, it could have ran its course peacefully, but now Kokesh is advocating outright insurrection, so he's pretty much bitten off more than he can chew. He's out of the picture now.

But the point I wanted to drive home is that yeah, people in Kokesh's frame of mind definitely can be dangerous. The government needs to be careful with how they deal with them, because it could very well blow up in their faces if they are too heavy handed in how they deal with this problem. They have a very high proportion of military veterans with combat experience and training, most of the people in Kokesh's group, as combatants, heavily outclass police officers in martial ability. Sure, that doesn't mean he has a snowballs chance in hell of launching a revolution, but it does mean they can cause a lot of damage.

@The Link Regarding The Army Intelligence Moneypit:

Here's a good link explaining all the drama between DCGS-A and Palantir written by a veteran Intelligence Analyst who has used both.

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#55369: May 29th 2013 at 2:36:19 PM

Palantir, seriously? Does it take a strong will to use it?

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#55370: May 29th 2013 at 3:01:35 PM

[up]Depends on whether it's been hacked, really. evil grin

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#55371: May 29th 2013 at 3:42:39 PM

...I hope that the USSR was referred to as Morgoth back in the Cold War.

But that's a story for another time.
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#55372: May 29th 2013 at 3:47:17 PM

One does not simply walk into Moscow....*

edited 29th May '13 3:47:39 PM by 3of4

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#55373: May 29th 2013 at 3:59:53 PM

Crap the coalition of humans is actually referred to in the books as the Free Men of the West. This is getting eerie.

But that's a story for another time.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#55374: May 29th 2013 at 4:01:36 PM

...eerie how?

In the sense that somebody probably named it Palantir because they were probably Tolkien fans as well as in the military?

AnSTH Lawful Evil Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#55375: May 29th 2013 at 4:04:23 PM

I was referring to the Cold War being a better parallel to the War of the Ring than WWII. Course I could just be wrong. :P

But that's a story for another time.

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