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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Oi! There's a mix of people down here! It's just that the stupid ones get elected by the majority of ignorant ones, and then the stupids do everything in their power to keep the ignorant just so.
I will admit it's a highly conservative region where social change is slow moving. Maybe it'll go a bit faster if y'all support my gubernatorial bid.
...Ever heard of Eugene Debs? Member of the Socialist Party. Very popular. How about the Industrial Workers of the World? Anarcho-syndacalist. Founded in the US. Also popular and allies with the Knights of Labor. How about the Haymarket affair and the riots by socialists around the country?
Heck, socialism isn't dead. We have an explicitly socialist senator (Bernie Sanders). Plus, the New Left was socialist.
edited 26th May '13 11:52:48 PM by deathpigeon
I thought every strike was broken with police and pinkertons, that the movement was completely underground, and that it was always a strictly local affair with no overall national organization or partisanship?
edited 26th May '13 11:52:29 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Sure, police and pinkertons fought the socialists, but we were widespread. Even if we didn't have too many in power (though there were the sewer socialists
in Wisconsin).
And there was the Industrial Workers of the World, the early Knights of Labor, and the Socialist Party. Plus, later on, the Black Panthers and other such groups.
edited 26th May '13 11:56:01 PM by deathpigeon
I think people would be a bit more open to the idea of socialism if not for some of the implications of government control that are affiliated with it. A pretty large group of Americans don't want a nanny state(I'm one of them) which is why I'm more of the libertarian mindset. I'm all for the government looking out for the good of the people, to a point, but when I start losing freedoms over it, I'm absolutely against it.
If we could have stable and well written economic regulations on business, with a Libertarian attitude towards social issues, I'd be cool with that. I'm for regulating business, but when it comes to what people are or are not allowed to do, I'd like the government to fuck off. It's why I'm pro-choice, pro-gun, and pro-gay marriage. I'm all about people keeping as many freedoms and rights as possible, danger be damned.(though there are limits)
But I think one thing that really poisons that outlook is that the immediate comparisons when the word socialism is used are several Western European countries which have values that a large group of Americans disagree with.
While their is some truth to that it's not like their wasn't hostilities
aimed at those
groups before the 1950s.
An Anarchist shooting President Mc Kinley didn't help matters.
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edited 27th May '13 12:03:41 AM by DeviantBraeburn
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The Black Panthers were essentially militant socialists and black supremacists. They had awesome things on their platform and terrifying things on their platform.
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Brah. Braaaaaaah. Learn about libertarian socialism, man. It's where the term libertarian originated from before it was appropriated by right-wingers who embody a lot that us actual libertarians fight against.
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It's not that capitalist propaganda didn't exist before the 50s, but it wasn't successful at getting the actual socialists to not be socialists much.
Propaganda of the deed. It was a bullshit anarchist theory that the masses are all waiting to rise up against our rulers and just need to basically be shown they can bleed and revolution will come. Never worked out that way.
So, what was libertarianism known as before? Liberalism?
And remember, it's the Socialist part that some people don't like. Some of them are Individualists.
The idea of Propaganda of the Deed still not dead, it is just that other peoplenote are using the same idea. See the Attack in Woolwich, for example.
edited 27th May '13 12:15:10 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnTo be sure, there were people who called themselves socialists who believed in "big government" (incidentally, the "free market" people have always had a huge hardon for dictatorship), but to say that was all socialism was about is to fundamentally misunderstand it. Basically it was a movement that believed strongly in classical democracy, and wanted all workers to control and own their workplaces according to that, as well as the larger community.
edited 27th May '13 12:17:11 AM by CassidyTheDevil
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In Europe, the inverse phenomenon occurred; the Right appropriated "Liberal" as a self-identifying term. Nowadays it's mostly a Parenthetical Swearing; saying "liberal policies", often with an ulra- or neo- factor added to it, is equivalent to saying "this asshole wants to take all our jobs away and privatize everything and destroy the public sector". Basically, "liberal" = "Chicago school of economics" = "dangerous madman". Well, among the mainstream left, that is.
edited 27th May '13 12:22:42 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Yah. In fact, what most Americans call "libertarianism" would be called "liberal" by most Europeans, just as what most Americans call "liberal" would be called "social democrat" by most Europeans.
And some individualists are socialists. The individualist anarchists, for example, were explicitly socialist, with Benjamin Tucker, an American individualist anarchist, referred to himself as an "anarchistic socialist" and many other individualist anarchist took such stances as anti-profit, anti-rent, anti-interest, and anti-private property.
But it's mostly died among anarchists.
Eeyup.
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I know, I'm a Brit. I still get confused by US Political Terminology.
One can be anything and an Anarchist...but that's the point, isn't it?
Quite. But the idea isn't dead — what are your views on that?
edited 27th May '13 12:30:25 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnNot really... I mean, anarchists by definition oppose all forms of hierarchy and authority, so anyone who supports hierarchy or authority or seeks either out is not an anarchist. This is why someone cannot support private property and be an anarchist as private property is a form of authority of the property owner over the property user and why every single anarchist ideology, from individualist to syndicalist to communist to parecon, opposed it and ever single anarchist group, from the kibbutzes in Israel to the Free Territories in Ukraine to Anarchist Catalonia and Aragon, did not have private property.
The idea is horrible, unfounded, and dumb. It's based on false premises, causes suffering for no reward, and creates bad press for the group that does it. It's both immoral and bad strategy.
I'm a Authoritarian Statist Anarchist. I'm a rebel against logic.
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You know what I mean — although I'm sure Stalinist Anarchists exist. By the way, do you think there is a difference between private and personal property?
Well, to close this derail, my personal opinion is that I'm too conservative and practical for Anarchism — I think Anarchism is a idealistic pipedream that will never happen.
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Racism and the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow are the underlying reason for the higher levels of black/hispanic poverty, crime, and unemployment. They are also why we can't have universal health care, and why our political system is currently paralyzed. It's not really a huge mystery.
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