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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55126: May 25th 2013 at 3:17:06 PM

Something must be up with the forums. I can't edit past posts.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55127: May 25th 2013 at 3:17:29 PM

What was it about? We I can search it.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#55128: May 25th 2013 at 3:18:54 PM

"Can't edit pages" in Wiki Talk is the thread for this bug.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#55130: May 26th 2013 at 9:04:31 AM

Soon the teachers at my school will be complaining about how this violates the constitutions and how it's another example of how religious freedom is being eroded

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55131: May 26th 2013 at 9:07:04 AM

How is this eroding religious freedom? Schools are not religious institutions. I would also love to hear how this is unconstitutional since it's just teaching kids what actually works.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#55132: May 26th 2013 at 9:09:21 AM

I assume it would be unconstitutional because it restricts religion-motivated abstinence-only sex ed, but we need to know the bill's actual content to assess that (and the argument that religion-motivated abstinence-only sex ed in publicly funded schools violates the Esthablishment Clause is a valid one, too).

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55133: May 26th 2013 at 9:16:11 AM

[up]Schools are secular though. They're not supposed to teach anything because a person's religion says so. Unless pro-abstinence people can overturn the mountains of evidence that it's a bad method of teaching then they don't have any justification for opposing this.

How does it violate the clause?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . ."

The two interpretations are that we can't have a national religion and the US can't show favoritism to any one religion. Preventing abstinence education does not violate either of those interpretations.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#55134: May 26th 2013 at 11:16:48 AM

I'm okay with this as long as they at least mention that abstinence is an option. There are several cases of other types of birth control and protection failing, and the only times abstinence failed were literally divine intervention. tongue

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#55135: May 26th 2013 at 11:20:16 AM

[up] and rape...

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55136: May 26th 2013 at 11:25:05 AM

[up][up]I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't teach it at all. It just shouldn't be taught as the preferred method and it certainly shouldn't be all they're told about.

Those other methods do fail but abstinence still causes higher higher pregnancy rates. I don't have any data on hand but I believe the explanation is that abstinence does little to change whether or not people will have sex before marriage so people still run the risk of getting pregnant. Teaching about birth control lowers this risk because it assumes that people will have sex anyway so they might as well have an idea of how to avoid the downsides to it.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#55138: May 26th 2013 at 12:07:14 PM

Why are all the links we get here from idiots-of-the-other-side?

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#55139: May 26th 2013 at 12:12:38 PM

[up] Because their reactions are always the funniest.

Senator Graham (R-GA): Obama 'tone deaf' on security

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#55140: May 26th 2013 at 12:18:48 PM

There are more of them. They are louder. They do things we find "stupid" or "silly" more often. The individuals are more vaied. Etc.

While we do bring up the "stupid" on the Dem side, it is more about what they as a group are not doing. Compare that to what the Republicans keep doing, and it is fairly obvious that Republicans would be in the news more often.

Oh, and this is a Democrat leaning forum right now. We are more willing to forgive Dem's.

(I realize the question was partly sarcastic, but it is a serious issue)

EDIT: Actually looked at those headlines. Love how Obama is "going to far" with drones and "not going far enough" with the terror threats at the same time—even though the drone program has been damn successful against foreign terrorist threats.

edited 26th May '13 12:24:42 PM by Belian

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United Earth
#55141: May 26th 2013 at 12:24:25 PM

I'm just worried we may be falling into this particular trap

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#55142: May 26th 2013 at 12:28:59 PM

Bob Dole Lashes Republican Party: They Should Put A Sign On The Door That Says ‘Closed For Repairs’

[up] I don't get the comparison. I just post links and we comment on them.

edited 26th May '13 12:32:18 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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#55143: May 26th 2013 at 1:14:11 PM

Rand Paul's rhetoric is increasingly ridiculous given that Obama's standard for domestic drone use is now tighter than his.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#55144: May 26th 2013 at 1:16:29 PM

So Paul's rant was just a trip down Cherrypickingville Avenue, yes?

*Walks by*

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#55145: May 26th 2013 at 2:33:07 PM
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#55146: May 26th 2013 at 2:39:19 PM

[up] Yes and fixed.

Senator Coburn (R-OK): Federal disaster aid took responsibility from states

Senator Durbin (D-IL) defended his decision to single out a key GOP group in a 2010 letter to the IRS

edited 26th May '13 2:42:03 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Never Trust
#55147: May 26th 2013 at 3:46:32 PM

I'll give Coburn points for consistency at least, if not common sense.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#55148: May 26th 2013 at 6:44:08 PM

Senator Coburn: Holder investigating DOJ a ‘total conflict of interest’

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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#55149: May 26th 2013 at 8:28:55 PM

So, for anyone in the US of A (or interested in it) the employment rate is probably a big thing to you. I have found this: http://www.epi.org/publication/unemployment-rates-whites-latinos-african-americans/ Basically the highest unemployment rate for Hispanics, blacks, and whites are: Hispanics: Rhode Island, 18.2% vs. 10.3% overall; Connecticut, 16.1% vs. 8.8%; and Pennsylvania, 13.3% vs. 7.9%. Blacks: Michigan, 18.6% vs. 9%; New Jersey, 17.8% vs. 9.7%; and Illinois, 17.6% vs. 8.7%. Whites: Nevada, 9.3% vs. 10.8%; Rhode Island, 9% vs. 10.3%; and New Jersey, 8.6% vs. 9.7%.If you notice, the unemployment rate for whites is lower than the state average in every state and DC. So what does everyone think of this? Do you think things are going in the right direction? What alarms you the most?

I made a thread about this before, but it didn't get that much attention,so I figured I'd re-post it here, just to here people's thoughts. This is from last December so unemployment rates for most states have changed, but that's the most up-to-date info out their, and I'm pretty sure the situation is probably more or less still the same.

edited 26th May '13 8:32:05 PM by KBSL

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#55150: May 26th 2013 at 8:58:37 PM

for most of us, its simply not surprising, really. Racism never really died in the US, no matter how much conservatives like to believe it is right before they make fun of a black person and demand all the illegals and muslims get the fuck out


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