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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#55101: May 25th 2013 at 7:47:35 AM

[up]And, not just with people who are living a semi-dodgy lifestyle. <_< Think of those who know their family has a history of miscarriages... They actually need the help, but if your biology (like, say... you're A- with a few other germ-line issues) is against you and you don't manage to carry the foetus to term... What then?

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#55102: May 25th 2013 at 7:48:14 AM

@ Kostya

If taken to its logical conclusion then that means every single miscarriage is an act of manslaughter because the woman unintentionally killed someone.

Indeed, the ultimate logical conclusion is that a woman could face the Electric Chair for something they had no concious control over. Especially in the case of multiple miscarriages.

[up] You face the Electric Chair.

edited 25th May '13 7:48:59 AM by Greenmantle

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55103: May 25th 2013 at 7:52:59 AM

[up][up]Even if the person used drugs I don't think they should be charged. It's one thing if they can prove they did it just to kill the baby but what if they drink heavily before they even realize they're pregnant?

[up]I doubt they'd get the chair. Heck, most of them probably wouldn't even be convicted. That still doesn't mean putting them through such a terrible ordeal after losing their baby isn't a bad thing.

edit: At least Obamacare is getting some good news.

edited 25th May '13 7:55:17 AM by Kostya

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#55106: May 25th 2013 at 9:11:00 AM

Can we, I don't know, try impregnating the guys who come up with this junk?

Because I'm pretty sure that the majority of people involved in making these laws are not going to be affected by them.

edited 25th May '13 9:13:20 AM by Ramidel

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55107: May 25th 2013 at 9:21:29 AM

[up]That would just violate a whole bunch of civil rights although I do think we wouldn't have to put up with this BS if men could be pregnant.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#55108: May 25th 2013 at 10:06:10 AM

...Honestly, the only tragedy in miscarriages is that the people who get the miscarriage often suffer mental anguish from it, in my opinion. The child is almost always, if not always, to my knowledge, not capable of suffering at the time of the miscarriage so the death of the fetus is not suffering and is not a bad thing in of itself (though it's not necessarily a good thing).

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#55109: May 25th 2013 at 11:12:11 AM

Taking drugs is illegal, and if someone dies as the result of an illegal act you committed, then you can be charged with murder or manslaughter. So if you consider a fetus to be a human being, then prosecuting a woman who took drugs while pregnant, resulting in a miscarriage, makes sense.

Let me ask: if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach and she miscarries, can you be charged with murder? If yes, than this court's actions are logically consistent. If not, then it does come across as excessive woman-targeting.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#55110: May 25th 2013 at 11:13:37 AM

if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach and she miscarries, can you be charged with murder?

That is what the Unborn Victims of Violence Act is about (I refuse to use that awful title Laci and Conner's Law), yes?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55111: May 25th 2013 at 11:15:27 AM

[up][up]But you would have to prove that the drugs are what caused the miscarriage. Even then I'm unsure if that should be illegal unless the fetus is viable.

I wouldn't say punching a woman to induce a miscarriage is murder but it is illegal because it's terminating her pregnancy without her consent.

edited 25th May '13 11:15:40 AM by Kostya

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#55112: May 25th 2013 at 12:02:25 PM

[up][up][up]Isn't that kidnapper guy facing murder charges for exactly that? It's what it said in a newspaper over here...

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#55113: May 25th 2013 at 12:06:38 PM

That would just violate a whole bunch of civil rights although I do think we wouldn't have to put up with this BS if men could be pregnant.

We would, however, be validating Junior. Are you willing to take that risk?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#55114: May 25th 2013 at 12:07:55 PM

[up]No.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#55115: May 25th 2013 at 12:36:07 PM

Louie Gohmert (R): Woman should carry brain dead fetus to term. Just in case.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/24/louie-gohmert-abortion-ban_n_3332823.html

Of course, he can't be completely wrong. The brain dead baby COULD in reality prove to have a teensy weensy bit of mental capacity, as proven by Louie himself making it to congress.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#55116: May 25th 2013 at 12:38:15 PM

[up]

Republicans. proving that microsoft has competition on a race to the bottom.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55117: May 25th 2013 at 12:39:15 PM

Right, she should have to look at the vegetative child in front of her and say "Kill it." That's so much easier and less traumatic than getting an abortion.

edit: The scandals apparently aren't doing much to Obama.

edited 25th May '13 12:43:40 PM by Kostya

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#55118: May 25th 2013 at 12:44:07 PM

[up]Oh, no: that would also be murder. Instead, she should try to fight for the health of the child until breathing stops naturally. It's better all around. tongue And, hey: it wouldn't be him having to make the sacrifices, so who cares! <_<

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#55119: May 25th 2013 at 12:48:05 PM

[up]It will take extreme force of will to keep me from punching a person in the face if they ever use that argument on me. Not only are you putting them through the emotional and financial burden of birthing a child you are forcing them to then care for a child that they did not want that will probably bankrupt them. They will do this for no benefit and it will no doubt cause them to resent the child because it is bankrupting them. Screw that.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#55121: May 25th 2013 at 1:41:56 PM

So Brewer is holding the legislature hostage until they give in on that bit of Obamacare?

Sessions is just fearmongering, I think. Pretty typical for the more loud immigration opponents, as I know.

Some proof for Chaffetz's accusations would be nice.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#55123: May 25th 2013 at 3:07:03 PM

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#55124: May 25th 2013 at 3:11:14 PM

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#55125: May 25th 2013 at 3:12:46 PM

Apparently I'm now a new account.

And I can't edit my posts.

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