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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Marines don't jump out of planes...well, except from MARSOC.
The salute is an acknowledgement and, in the President's case, a statement of thanks for them having done those things.
It seems Obama realized, got out of Marine One and gave the guy a handshake and, presumably, apologized.
He made a rude mistake, realized, and set it right. Nontroversy.
edited 24th May '13 10:49:50 AM by Achaemenid
Schild und Schwert der ParteiCorrect link for "Obama fails to return Marine's salute"
Not that it matters. The article itself states that he "corrected" himself very quickly. Another "provocative headline to get people's attention that does not really tell the story" more than anything else.
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!It's considered very rude not to return a salute.
Everyone in the military is obligated to salute the Commander-In-Chief, as he is technically the highest ranking member of the military. Whenever you salute someone, they are supposed to salute back. It's considered extremely disrespectful not to return a salute rendered to you.
We get paid to do those things. A salute is a thing of respect.
Obama has been extremely horrible at "the little things" when it comes to his personal interactions with the military.
edited 24th May '13 11:24:23 AM by Barkey
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edited 24th May '13 1:00:36 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Senator Menendez: Immigration bill doesn’t have votes to pass Senate
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Which indicates that he's not ignorant and simply wasn't thinking. Obama is not a military man, I wouldn't expect this stuff to be second nature to him. The fact that he apologized proves that he wasn't out to offend or belittle anyone. He just didn't think about it immediately.
edited 24th May '13 6:57:36 PM by Kostya
Or, it's something that would normally be very minor, but is kind of throwing more fuel on the fire when it comes to the multitude of reasons the military doesn't like Obama?
There's a rather large feeling of a lack of appreciation for us from the President, to put it lightly.
The general feeling is that he's a tad dismissive of us.
edited 24th May '13 7:01:17 PM by Barkey
I guess his communication with the troops has seemed sort of lackluster, from a PR perspective.
I've seen through some of that and connected the dots on how he has conducted himself with defense policy, and from a strategic perspective, I kind of approve. I liked how he handled Libya, and I like his focus on letting the drone strikes keep going in Pakistan. Wish he would speak out against some of the budget raping we've had to endure, but whatever.(Let me clarify, that doesn't mean I'm against defense cuts, but I'm vehemently against budget cuts that involve kicking out troops when we've got so much fat on the defense industry side that needs to be trimmed first)
I think part of it is just that there's been a major lack of "meet and greet" cheesy PR events that most presidents do with the troops for his whole term. His interactions with the troops publicly have pretty much been non-existent, so the rank and file feel sort of forgotten about or dismissed.
He's just never really seemed to have much of a focus on interacting with the troops at all. I never thought I'd say it, but some of those stupid "Meet and greet and shake hands with the troops" photo ops that other presidents have done aren't really noticed until a president neglects to do them.
I just don't feel like Obama has really accomplished much of anything on my list of "Things that are important to me" and for most troops, that list is often very similar. I voted for the guy twice, and I'm starting to kind of regret that. I know there's been lots of GOP interference on some of the things on his bucket list, but there's lots of things I care about that he hasn't really talked about, or he's acted against.
edited 24th May '13 7:20:12 PM by Barkey
edited 24th May '13 7:48:37 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016I don't get the whole saluting thing. I can kinda see the point in saluting a superior as a show of subservience, but the superior being expected to salute back seems to make the whole exercise moot.
It's the same reason I don't like the phrase "you're welcome". If someone does you a favor, you repay them by saying "thank you"; that makes sense. But placing a social obligation on the favor-doer to say "you're welcome" in reply? What purpose does that serve?
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Barkey, since you've bought it up again I'll ask my question again (and pray for a response), how is the military budget Obama's fault? Isn't the budget set by congress?
edited 24th May '13 9:45:12 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran^^
It's not, it's more that Presidents are figureheads who get blamed for bullshit, and that as Commander in Chief there is sort of an expectation for the President to cock-block things that are bad for us, either through influence and speeches or presidential veto.
I'm not trying to say it makes sense, people blame presidents for shit that is Congress' fault on a regular basis, but there's sort of an expectation there.
Mississippi could start charging women with manslaughter if they have a miscarriage or stillbirth.
This is a dangerous road to go down. According to this court the woman "did willfully, unlawfully, feloniously, kill Hayley Jade Buckhalter, a human being, by culpable negligence." It's referring to the fact that she used drugs while pregnant. While that is a very stupid thing to do this sets a dangerous precedent. I simply can't fathom why people would think it's justice to punish a woman after going through such a traumatic event.
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But the pro-life side already views fetuses as humans. That's one of their main arguments against abortion and it's part of the reason why I don't like that mentality. If taken to its logical conclusion then that means every single miscarriage is an act of manslaughter because the woman unintentionally killed someone.
Defining miscarriage as a crime would probably force a lot of women to keep their pregnancy a secret and not seek the necessary care because if they don't deliver it someone could accuse them of killing it.
edited 25th May '13 7:45:19 AM by Kostya

"You can push them out of a plane, you can march them off a cliff, you can send them off to die on some God-forsaken rock, but for some reason you can't fail to salute them."
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