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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#54976: May 22nd 2013 at 8:12:24 PM

It's very close to a sufficient vote to override. Not CISPA close, but distressingly so.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#54977: May 22nd 2013 at 8:49:09 PM

Regardless it'll likely die in the Senate. And even if it doesn't the first time it will if it's vetoed.

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#54978: May 22nd 2013 at 8:50:55 PM

I dunno if the Senate will kill it, or if Obama will have the nerve to veto it should it arrive on his desk...

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#54980: May 22nd 2013 at 9:50:23 PM

[up]x3 Saw that on the news hours ago.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#54981: May 22nd 2013 at 10:28:06 PM

[up]

You think he has a chance?

A sergeant first class on the staff of the United States Military Academy at West Point has been accused of videotaping female cadets without their consent, sometimes when they were undressed in the bathroom or the shower

edited 22nd May '13 11:47:46 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#54982: May 23rd 2013 at 1:28:25 AM

I say let Weiner do it. The Bloomberg dynasty needs to end, and it's not like very many people out there could make a bigger ass of themselves as the Mayor of NYC than Bloomberg.

I'm not sure that I have a problem with the Keystone pipeline or why we can't just let congress vote on it the old fashion way. Doesn't seem very veto-worthy.

edited 23rd May '13 1:29:00 AM by Barkey

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#54983: May 23rd 2013 at 1:35:04 AM

I think Bloomberg has to step down because of term limits. Although I'm not positive about this.

edited 23rd May '13 1:35:48 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#54984: May 23rd 2013 at 2:56:27 AM

The pipeline was voted by the Senate a couple times and rejected.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#54985: May 23rd 2013 at 4:24:10 AM

Personally, I would rather us spend the money on the "nuclear option" than on any oil or coal. Some of the newest types of reactors simply can't fail like the reactors people think of. And we have been using reactors safely in the military for years without any major problems.

The newest "nuclear disaster" (in Japan) was from a 30+ year old reactor that wasn't designed for what hit it and scheduled to be shut down latter that year. It was, essentially, the worst combination of factors possible. Modern reactors are designed such that they can't fail that way.

(No strong feelings here >_> Also, I'm in a mood this morning—what with "nuclear option")

edited 23rd May '13 4:26:10 AM by Belian

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#54986: May 23rd 2013 at 5:15:24 AM

Nuclear would be a more politically viable option if not for the long history of governments and the nuclear industry outright lying about how safe it was.

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
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Lost in Space
#54987: May 23rd 2013 at 5:38:29 AM

People see the word "nuclear" and think of Hollywood's obsession with reactors blowing up and killing millions of people. That and all the old school movies about radiation mutating lizards into Godzilla. Ignorance breeds fear, and the media have done far more to demonize nuclear power than any acts of government.

That said, there is a legitimate concern about nuclear waste disposal, as I understand it, which is not helped by NIMBY.

edited 23rd May '13 5:38:56 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#54988: May 23rd 2013 at 5:38:31 AM

There have been exactly three major nuclear incidents since commercial nuclear reactors have been a thing.

One was Chernobyl, which only happened because the Russians were certifiably insane for doing what they did.

One was Three Mile Island, which had negligible actual radiation release outside the plant itself.

One was Fukushima, which only happened because it was a decades-old design already slated for shutdown that got hit by a double-whammy (earthquake then tsunami) which also affected response efforts.

So that's exactly two serious radiation releases in 60ish years, neither of which would have happened with modern designs. How many oil spills, natural gas leaks, and coal mining accidents have there been in that period of time?

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Never Trust
#54989: May 23rd 2013 at 5:55:05 AM

I would frankly be more supportive of nuclear power if I thought it would give us Godzilla.

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Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#54990: May 23rd 2013 at 6:01:10 AM

Yes, nuclear waste is a problem, but not an unmanageable one. I could see having one reactor solely powering a space launcher that takes the waste and shoots it into the sun.

Relative brought up another point: Considering how much money oil companies are making, they should not be getting anything from the government to help them build it. In fact, they should be moving their refineries inland and away from possible hurricanes—a 20 mile pipeline from the shore would be much more feasible.

...we could probably have a whole thread filled with things oil companies could do with their profits to improve the lives of their "stakeholders" and not just their "stockholders".

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Lost in Space
#54991: May 23rd 2013 at 6:21:29 AM

If we talked about corporations doing the socially responsible thing instead of maximizing profits, we could be here for months. I'm reminded of last night's The Daily Show segment about Tim Cook's (Apple's CEO) visit to Congress where they practically fellatiated him about how awesome his company is and asked him his opinion on how they could fix the tax code to make it more competitive so companies like his wouldn't feel the need to offshore its profits.

edited 23rd May '13 6:22:41 AM by Fighteer

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NCC - 1701
#54992: May 23rd 2013 at 6:34:21 AM

Even if China tried Bush in absentia and said he was guilty of war crimes, regardless of the fact that our economic partnership means that would never happen, we wouldn't care because
........China has no room to talk about political malfeasance.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#54993: May 23rd 2013 at 7:31:28 AM

[up][up] Have you heard that happened when Apple met the British equivalent, Fighteer?

That didn't happen.

Keep Rolling On
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Lost in Space
#54994: May 23rd 2013 at 8:55:34 AM

So, the British Parliament doesn't consider itself to be sex slaves to big business? That's somewhat reassuring.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#54995: May 23rd 2013 at 9:06:59 AM

[up]The short answer is no. Much snark is involved when you're big and hauled up to be grilled. It's a parliamentary tradition going back quite a long way.

Brits: we only suck up to big business when we're not pissed off at it for making us having to look hard at what it's costing us. tongue

edited 23rd May '13 9:07:48 AM by Euodiachloris

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#54996: May 23rd 2013 at 9:23:21 AM

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Quite. When the Chair of the Public Accounts Committeenote  calls back the Northern European Head of Google for possibly lying to them in an earlier meeting and calls them:

Committee chairwoman Margaret Hodge said Google was not living up to its original motto of "don't be evil".

"You are a company that says you do no evil, and I think that you do do evil in that you use smoke and mirrors to avoid paying tax," she said, adding that the company engaged in "devious, calculated and, in my view, unethical behavior".

You see, due to the English Civil War, Parliament has quite an anti-Authoritarian streak.

edited 23rd May '13 9:36:50 AM by Greenmantle

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#54997: May 23rd 2013 at 10:10:04 AM

[up]It's true. The Commons may be an authority... yet, it detests authority at the same time, too. Particularly when it screws up so much there's not a chance in hell of sorting the mess out easily.

Um. We're some very odd ducks, as a whole, we Brits, aren't we? <_< A constitutional monarchy; a state-religion, but a democratic, secular government involving several nations, territories and other semi-independent bodies; independent and governmental watch-dogs up the wazoo, which, even if they can't always bite, really don't mind barking as loudly as possible... all formed by a fairly centralised government which dislikes authoritarianism to a large extent (so often goes all out to devolve power as much as possible, yet keep it answerable), yet relies on tradition; a constitution so big and unwieldy nobody is quite sure exactly what the heck is in it, so it can be adapted on the fly to fit the circumstances without breaking... In short: a national set-up that confuses the rest of the world, but with which most of us are comfortable, and, although often complain of, wouldn't fundamentally change if you paid us. [lol] Oh, we grumble and tweak every year... but, that's normal. [lol]

Hmmm... Britishness: making complex contradictions work day to day for years — with sarcasm?

edited 23rd May '13 10:18:14 AM by Euodiachloris

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#54998: May 23rd 2013 at 10:19:01 AM

Yeah, Britain are kinda specialists in this domain of living with contradictions and ambiguities and stuff...

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A procrastination in of itself
#54999: May 23rd 2013 at 10:33:18 AM

[up][up]Britain, holding itself together with duct tape, snark and tea.

[up]Someone should really add the overseas territories to that page, just to make things ever more confusing. wink

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#55000: May 23rd 2013 at 10:45:03 AM

[up]

Yes, if you want "Rational" Government, don't look here. It might not be Rational, but it works, and that is the most important thing. Like the old engine it is, it needs constant maintenance — but isn't that like all forms of Government?

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