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#54601: May 14th 2013 at 1:40:42 PM

Also, apparently that's a year old. Did you see "May" and miss "2012"?

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#54602: May 14th 2013 at 1:52:09 PM

Haba! Bush is a convict!

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#54603: May 14th 2013 at 1:55:08 PM

Extrajudicial killing by drone strikes. What a bullshit.

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#54605: May 14th 2013 at 2:11:42 PM

[up]

A perceptive analysis as ever.

edited 14th May '13 2:11:51 PM by Achaemenid

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#54606: May 14th 2013 at 2:16:41 PM

And yet another example of bad causal root analysis.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#54607: May 14th 2013 at 2:17:56 PM

The funny part. at leats one comment claims this is John Stewart helping take the heat off Obama for Benghazi.

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#54608: May 14th 2013 at 2:21:31 PM

So why is it discriminatory to look harder at the group which is notoriously anti tax, has one of their key platforms dedicated to reducing taxes, and has been known to use "taxation is theft" as a slogan?

edited 14th May '13 2:21:44 PM by DrTentacles

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#54609: May 14th 2013 at 2:23:26 PM

That it's political discrimination?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#54610: May 14th 2013 at 2:34:51 PM

Yeah, political beliefs (provided said beliefs don't outright and explicitly encourage violence/criminal acts) aren't probable cause for investigation.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#54611: May 14th 2013 at 2:46:30 PM

> Judge Andrew Napolitano

/me clicks link

> Fox senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano

o_O

edited 14th May '13 2:48:22 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#54612: May 14th 2013 at 2:54:11 PM

[up][up] I don't think it's political discrimination to look at tax records of people who overtly state that they don't pay taxes, much in the same way that it's not political discrimination if the cops burst into your house because you're talking loudly about how much pot you smoke.

It's probable cause.

edited 14th May '13 2:55:04 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#54613: May 14th 2013 at 2:55:51 PM

"who overtly state that they don't pay taxes,"

Citation Needed

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lonesomepaire from nowhere,wyoming Since: Apr, 2013
#54614: May 14th 2013 at 3:03:55 PM

Is there a large amount of tea party groups that actually say run around saying that they don't pay taxes thought? You can want to change laws and still follow the currently ones. To use your example, this would't be busting down the door of someone who screams that they smoke pot, this would be more like busting down the door of someone who openly wants it legalized.

edited 14th May '13 3:04:45 PM by lonesomepaire

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#54615: May 14th 2013 at 3:05:12 PM

[up][up] They registered as 501(c)(4), which explicitly states that they cannot be a political entity.

501(c)(4) exempts you from paying taxes. That's why they're getting audited.

[up] I don't know about a large amount, but I know for a fact that my uncle routinely posts stuff from his local Tea Party thing on Facebook that has talked about boycotting the IRS, usually by refusing to pay a certain amount in taxes (eg, paying all but $17.76).

edited 14th May '13 3:07:34 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#54616: May 14th 2013 at 3:06:58 PM

Not that. Cite me that non-tax exempt Tea Party Groups are not paying them.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#54617: May 14th 2013 at 3:10:22 PM

[up] I don't think you're getting it. They're not allowed to claim 501(c)(4) status because they're a political entity. They fraudulently claimed tax-exempt status.

edited 14th May '13 3:10:52 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#54618: May 14th 2013 at 3:14:52 PM

Ah. Well, good luck at getting that argument through legal gimmickeries that will occur if they try to invoke it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#54619: May 14th 2013 at 3:15:20 PM

[up] They tried to invoke it. That's why they're getting audited by the IRS.

Honestly, if they hadn't been so loud about it, the IRS wouldn't have even noticed.

edited 14th May '13 3:15:45 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#54620: May 14th 2013 at 3:30:12 PM

Why the Hell isn't the IRS defending itself than? And why is the White House not coming to their defense? Is Obama trying to keep his hands clean of another manufactured scandal (fat chance of that happening)?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#54621: May 14th 2013 at 3:33:18 PM

Here's what I understand of the IRS / Tea Party issue, based on a report I heard about this yesterday on NPR:

There are these 501(c)(4) groups. That code is a part of the tax code that makes them tax-exempt social welfare organizations. They are bound by rules saying that they can only do a limited amount of explicitly political campaigning. They can do more than 501(c)(3) groups, which are charities, but are not allowed to do as much as (so-called) 527 groups, which are explicitly political in nature.

After the Citizens United ruling (or something like that), which let entities like corporations donate to 501(c)(4) groups in unlimited amounts, 501(c)(4) groups popped up like crazy.

During the Tea Party craze of the 2010-ish, the IRS — knowing that the Tea Party movement is intimately associated with political activism — started exercising additional scrutiny when it came to 501(c)(4) groups that seemed to be associated with the Tea Party movement. So they'd put more attention (whatever that means) into looking into groups that had names like "Patriot" and such, because these sorts of names are popular among Tea Party groups.

edited 14th May '13 3:34:39 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

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#54623: May 14th 2013 at 4:58:31 PM

INCOMING SHOE!

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scratching at .8, just hopin'
#54624: May 14th 2013 at 5:04:57 PM

My response to all those "Miss me yet?" adds was "Yes, because he won't stay still. But it's okay, I have another shoe."

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

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