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Never Trust
#54451: May 12th 2013 at 9:07:35 AM

Bcause fundamentalism (of any variety) is based on fear. Their God, regardless of what name they call him by is an abusive bully and a Tautological Templar.

edited 12th May '13 9:10:24 AM by tricksterson

Trump delenda est
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#54452: May 12th 2013 at 9:10:39 AM

I think that depends on the denomination or specific church. The one I went to was never like that although from what I hear many Catholic and Evangelical ones follow that train of thought.

edit: In their minds. Jesus actually had a lot of really great ideas. He was a socialist after all. The problem comes when people don't care so much what the Bible says. They just use it to support their agenda.

edited 12th May '13 9:12:14 AM by Kostya

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#54453: May 12th 2013 at 9:15:29 AM

Yeesh, what's with Republicans and the "Benghazi cover-up" claims?

Never got the logic behind that. If God is upset that we're not worshiping him why would he be such a jerk? I'm pretty sure being nice would be a far better plan.
I cannot speak for what the Judeo-Christian creed has to say about this, but from an Islamic POV, God is well within His rights to consider having a significant portion of society willingly turning away from His worship (as opposed to simply being ignorant due uncontrollable circumstances, like an isolated primitive tribe that so far had zero contact with the outside worldnote ) such a dire offense that it is worthy of severe, collective punishment — and that said punishment will not exclude however many truly pious people are within said society, because they shirked their duty by standing by and let society degenerate to that state in the first place.

[up][up] I thought fundamentalism was based on conservative/reactionary fanaticism, and that fear is simply a convenient tool for their purposes.

edited 12th May '13 9:18:15 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#54454: May 12th 2013 at 9:22:34 AM

Yeah that's kinda why some of us are big on secular decision making in our countries tongue

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#54455: May 12th 2013 at 9:25:24 AM

[up][up]But if his goal is to make then return to his side then how does he accomplish that by making planes crash into buildings? He's supposed to be loved. At best that would just make people fear him. If he really wants people to worship him then he needs to give them a reason to and I don't think threatening them is a good reason.

QuestionMarc Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#54456: May 12th 2013 at 9:33:10 AM

This is getting off topic.

Don't we have a religion thread?

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#54457: May 12th 2013 at 9:57:43 AM

Elizabeth Warren: Students Should Get the Same Rate as the Bankers

...Lady has a point. Though, as the article says, "The rate is so low in part because there’s very little risk the loans won’t be repaid." Loans to banks and loans to students are NOT the same thing and should not be treated the same, but "student debt has outpaced credit-card debt, as borrowers struggle to pay back a collective $1 trillion in debt." Talk about no clear "correct" answer.

(Looks up her Other Wiki page.)

Political affiliation

Warren voted as a Republican for many years saying, "I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets." She states that in 1995 she began to vote Democratic because she no longer believed that to be true, but she says that she has voted for both parties because she believed that neither party should dominate.

...

At Warren's first Banking Committee hearing on February 14, 2013, she pressed several banking regulators to answer when they had last taken a Wall Street bank to trial and stated, "I'm really concerned that 'too big to fail' has become 'too big for trial.'" Videos of Warren's questioning became popular on the internet, amassing more than 1 million views in a matter of days

Where did this woman come from?! And why are there not more like her?!

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#54458: May 12th 2013 at 10:00:02 AM

to be fair,. the main reason its so hard for students to repay their loans is specifically because they have so take out so much and have no choice but to pay it back (even if they go bankrupt)

Compound that with a merciless job market, too/

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#54460: May 12th 2013 at 10:14:53 AM

Unfortunately, the first time most people heard about her was from her multiple arrests for civil disobedience during the last election. Not a good first impression.

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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#54461: May 12th 2013 at 10:18:03 AM

White House rebuffs Boehner on Benghazi-related emails

Yeah that's kinda why some of us are big on secular decision making in our countries
Wish I could get a hand of that one interview with a Syrian-born intellectual who explains with sound logic and evidence that the original Islamic states were actually closer to being "secular states" (though certainly not cases of complete separation of "church" and state) than most people believe.

But if his goal is to make then return to his side then how does he accomplish that by making planes crash into buildings? He's supposed to be loved. At best that would just make people fear him. If he really wants people to worship him then he needs to give them a reason to and I don't think threatening them is a good reason.
Fear and worship aren't mutually exclusive. We're supposed to fear His Wrath, love His Benevolence, and worship him because of both.

This is getting off topic.

Don't we have a religion thread?

Apparently, yes.

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#54462: May 12th 2013 at 10:31:04 AM

If you want to "fix" student loans properly, I think you would have to delve a LOT deeper. Just saying "do this" might be treating the symptom, not the problem. It might be that the way to "fix" student loans involves helping schools pay for their pricey new tech with the stipulation that their fees go down.

Though a part of the problem is that a fair amount of the cash/investments that schools have are contractually/legally obligated to be used for ONLY certain things. New money towards paying for a specific professor position when it is already 100% funded by earlier contributions? Just sits their accruing interest. Harvard would have more money than it could figure out what to do with if all the money was freely available—and it is the donor's "fault" more than the school's because why would any school turn down any donation? I know of one university that was given a ton of money that could only be used for "grounds maintenance". Considering how it is in the middle of a large city, it has GREAT grounds, but that is money that can never be used for something else.

And that is just one possible issue that could be "fixed" to drive down student loan fees. Who knows how many other things there are?

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#54463: May 12th 2013 at 10:53:12 AM

[up][up][up]Someone willing to be arrested for the non-violent expression of their beliefs is a plus in my book.

Trump delenda est
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#54464: May 12th 2013 at 10:55:48 AM

I don't remember Warren running for President. Do you mean Jill Stein?

[up]Yes but if the nation's first view of her is as a criminal that makes it very hard to get elected. This is a situation where pragmatism is more important than sticking to your ideals.

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#54465: May 12th 2013 at 11:01:35 AM

[up][up][up][up] Is that thread cool for inquiries about the history of religion in politics? I'm actually curious about trends in fatwas and judgments issued by Islamic authorities in the period between the Islamic golden age and the 20th century. SOMETHING happened in between and I'd like to know what.

[up][up] Yes.

[up] Partially. It's a tradeoff between appearing sincere and appearing palatable. And an overload of palatable, offend-nobody, perfectly groomed candidates can turn people off (think of how Mitt Romney was supposed to be sold). I mean, how many Presidents and presidential candidates have we seen in the last 50 years that are all white family men with the same category of perfectly groomed haircut (no beard) and a suit? Presenting the same image to the public? And how many of them have been actual bigger-than-disturbing-the-peace-charges real criminals? (Reagan and Nixon at least)

edited 12th May '13 11:05:23 AM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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#54466: May 12th 2013 at 11:20:42 AM

When will the whole Benghazi charade end, by the way?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#54467: May 12th 2013 at 11:24:39 AM

Lessee, the youngest of the people making their careers off of it are in their late 30s, so we can expect their children to die in, say...2102?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#54468: May 12th 2013 at 11:30:18 AM

[up][up]

the second a republican is in the white house again.

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#54469: May 12th 2013 at 11:35:57 AM

Or the second they get the boot in 2014?

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What a Wonderful World!
#54470: May 12th 2013 at 11:36:48 AM

Warren was going to be appointed to something by Obama, but she was veto by the Senate.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#54471: May 12th 2013 at 11:37:55 AM

I don't remember Warren running for President. Do you mean Jill Stein?

Ah, yes, I sometimes confuse those two.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#54473: May 12th 2013 at 12:28:30 PM

[up]Uh... What's an "anti-American globalist"? <blinks> And, why is worrying about the world at large a bad thing, again?

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#54474: May 12th 2013 at 12:43:07 PM

[up]

What basically has come to mean is that it's someone who cares about the U.N. more than the U.N. Also undermining our nation's sovereignty and stuff like that.

Rep. Tammy Duckworth, a veteran of the Iraq war, said Sunday that the Pentagon has shown it can't be trusted to handle the problem of sexual assault in the military

Justice Ginsburg: Roe v. Wade provided 'target' for abortion-rights opponents

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) wants to take sworn deposition from the officials behind a State Department board which reviewed the Benghazi attack.

edited 12th May '13 12:44:06 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#54475: May 12th 2013 at 12:45:19 PM

[up]

Except America is internationally infamous for giving rather few shits about the UN - it has not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child, for instance. Even North Korea has ratified the UNCRC. The only other countries in this situation are South Sudan (which didn't exist at the time) and Somalia (which didn't have a government). Still, this pales in comparison to Woodrow Wilson setting up the League of Nations and then not joining it.

The reason the USA hasn't bothered - you're going to love this - to ratify UNCRC is because it allows children the right to have their voice heard (not followed, just heard) in decisions involving them. And That's Terrible.

All of this can be blamed on the Republicans and the Christian Right.

edited 12th May '13 12:50:46 PM by Achaemenid

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