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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Three Ohio women missing for a decade rescued from a house where they were imprisoned by three men.
Thankfully the women were okay and reunited with some very happy family; here's hoping they recover with ease. (Prepare for some incoming stupid on the media though; the three were Latinos, one of whom has the last name Castro.)
You're retreating back into generalities. And there's certainly room for a discussion on those generalities in a more philosophical sense, but with regards to Mexico, specifically, the United States has special moral obligations.
From Wikipedia:
You cannot fund another country's criminals to the extent that we are doing and then turn around and say we have no special responsibility to them because they're just another impoverished country like any other such country throughout the world. You may very well disagree about the breadth or implications of that responsibility, but to argue for no special responsibility whatsoever is nothing less than wickedly dishonest.
And on an unrelated note... dammit, South Carolina, I am very disappointed in you right now. Family values indeed... I will roll my eyes the next time a fellow S Cer guffaws at an adulterous Democrat.
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.Or the Henry "Feet Of" Clay deal with JQ Adams that screwed over Andrew Jackson the first round?
If you want to talk about what America should be doing to help Mexico with the cartels, that's certainly a conversation we could be having. But "American citizens are involved with Mexican drug cartels, therefore we should give illegal Mexican immigrants into the United States a pass" is a nonstarter.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.If you want to talk about nonstarters, you might want to consider how difficult it is to have a discussion with someone who insists on seeing the world as a series of wholly disconnected compartments. The drug black market and a country's overall economy are, in fact, heavily intertwined.
If you can't accept basic relationships between interconnected issues, then there's really nothing more I have to say.
And you can tell me what you don't 'buy' all you like, the statistics are what they are.
edited 7th May '13 8:39:26 PM by Karkadinn
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.Jovian, the US is also partly responsible for Mexico's economic issues as well. Via trade regulations pushed through NAFTA, the US has made our government-subsidized corn industry undercut what had been the primary economic support in rural Mexico: local corn production. Cheap (because subsidized) US corn flooded the Mexican market, the price of corn in Mexico suddenly dropped, and suddenly you had a wave of people who have lost a huge percentage of their income. ([1]
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We have a special obligation to Mexico because we are, in large part, the ones who messed them up in the first place.
edited 7th May '13 8:44:27 PM by Nocturna
I'd say we owe them a path to citizenship by sheer virtue of our immigration system being that morbidly fucked up. When your system's broken that badly, you don't stubbornly enforce it, you fix it and make amends.
But if you don't believe people are fleeing drug war killings, realize the annual murder rate directly related to the drug war has gone up by almost six times since 2007
◊, and is still getting worse. Right now, the annual homicide rate in Mexico from the drug war alone is nearly equal to our total homicide rate.
Accounting for the population discrepancy, their per-capita murder rate just from the drug war is nearly three times our total one. From all homicide sources, it's nearly five times. To say nothing of the regular assassination of reporters, politicians, and law enforcement who aren't in the drug cartels' pockets.
So yeah, it kind of is a flee-worthy hellhole at the moment.
edited 7th May '13 8:51:26 PM by Pykrete
Military Brochure Instructs Sexual Assault Victims: ‘Submit’
Oh lord.
EDIT: The saddest part is it might good advice in some situations.
EDIT 2: You know NAFTA was just as much Mexico's doing as it was Americas.
edited 8th May '13 1:00:52 AM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016If you can't accept basic relationships between interconnected issues, then there's really nothing more I have to say.
> neglecting connectedness
Every environmental issue, ever, right there.
A volcano in Iceland can cause bizarre weather patterns across Europe. Hell, Krakatoa had effects visible right across the entire world. Yes, volcanoes are extreme cases, but things like pollution has to go somewhere, and it rarely stays where it came from. England is kept warm(ish) and wet by the Gulf Stream, which winds up from around Chile!. The environment rarely pays attention to national borders.
edited 7th May '13 9:52:33 PM by Zendervai
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I don't see why people would jump all over "submit" as if it's an awful bit of advice—it's actually common advice and is, in many cases, logical. After all, if your choice is submit and end up raped but mostly otherwise unharmed, or resist and end up raped and beaten up or dead, submission really is the best of two bad options.
The rest of the article—about how more attention should be put on preventing rape in the first place—is good, though.
And? What happened? Gimme a link or something!
edited 8th May '13 12:35:46 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

Apparently Sanford voted to impeach Clinton for his extramarital activities. Irony truly is lost on them.
edited 7th May '13 7:08:14 PM by Kostya