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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53901: May 3rd 2013 at 12:06:44 AM

[up][up]My point was more that "sex gets people to read" and was basically sort of sexist bait to attract readers by putting that directly in the title, instead of mentioning the other problems that come with climate change.

[up]Well, they may not like being called anarchists, considering most anarchists are more likely to be actually liberal, but their policies and MO pretty much end up with a lot of the same results when they're trying to deliberately make government as ineffective as possible.

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#53902: May 3rd 2013 at 12:26:13 AM

[up][up] What? Oh no you didn't, biatch. The Tea Party has more in common with the corporatarchist "anarcho"-capitalists than with actual anarchists. Real anarchists tend to protest the end of welfare systems and the like because we tend to prefer the state to corporations (though we dislike both). Real anarchists hate the shit out of the Tea Party.

Also, I don't know where Reid went to college, but most actual anarchists avoided violence whenever possible. It was always a minority that believed in the Propaganda of the Deed, and many were outright pacifists, avoiding all violence, such as Leo Tolstoy.

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#53903: May 3rd 2013 at 3:17:14 AM

With the Sovs, on the other hand, it was sex-for-life.

Allegedly, stopping that kind of bullshit is what Comissars were for:

Though neutered in effectiveness by the end of the war, civilian women in Germany were advised to yell 'Commissar' when facing rape by invading Russian soldiers because commissars would arrive and either stop the soldier or (in some cases) execute the offender. Of course this had a lot more to do with preserving the prestige of the Soviet army than altruism, but it helped codify the notion that commissars were given to shooting their own soldiers.

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#53904: May 3rd 2013 at 3:55:16 AM

[up][up]In short, this comparison didn't insult the Tea Party, but the anarchists?

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#53905: May 3rd 2013 at 4:00:25 AM

[up] Insult to Rocks?

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#53906: May 3rd 2013 at 4:01:02 AM

Yeah, as an anarchist I would be insulted by the comparison to the Tea Party as well.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53907: May 3rd 2013 at 5:12:23 AM

I can't believe I found Tea party defenders in the comments. Yes everyone who isn't Tea Party is a lazy douchebag who wants a million dollars for their unemployed friends or just a Republican to afraid to say what your all thinking.

Got nothing to do with the racism, the fact that their are people who need welfare and other social services, homophobia, or anything like that. The comparison to anarchists was wrong, the vast majority are better than the Tea Party, (though it isn't hard to do) I really hope they lose their power in politics.

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#53908: May 3rd 2013 at 6:39:55 AM

Going back a bit, it seems to me that "stop and frisk" would inherently violate Constitutional rights — specifically the protection against search and seizure without a warrant or probable cause. It doesn't improve things if the probable cause in question is "being black".

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#53909: May 3rd 2013 at 7:10:21 AM

I don't think the NYPD cares very much about that for the most part.

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#53910: May 3rd 2013 at 7:13:18 AM

Well, they're kind of supposed to care about that. If not, the courts are supposed to make sure that they care. You know, because we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights... those are supposed to matter all the time, not just when they are convenient.

edited 3rd May '13 7:14:27 AM by Fighteer

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#53911: May 3rd 2013 at 7:20:54 AM

I've noticed that, at least in the United States, politics seems to be seen as a "separate thing" from daily life. It's like, there's daily life, and then there's politics, which is what some people (such as us politics geeks) do, but is taboo as a topic on a general basis.

Yet, from the looks of it, this comes at a time when we ought to be more active than ever before in taking ownership of our society. It's never about oneself and oneself alone; if you think like that then you're neglecting the infrastructure, the economy, the environment, and everything else around you. We live in a world where our decisions (whether or not to vote, among many, many others) affects those around us all the time, and the decisions of those around us affect us, and if we're going to deal with that in a meaningful way that's not a blind free-for-all, then we need to have a good, honest conversation about policy — specifically one where we the participants are not blinded by ideology-pushing.

Ironically, the tea-partiers have it half-right: they stress the point of personal responsibility. But personal responsibility doesn't just end at the effects of one's actions on oneself. It also extends to the effects of one's actions on others.

edited 3rd May '13 7:29:41 AM by GlennMagusHarvey

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#53912: May 3rd 2013 at 7:23:03 AM

@GMH: I agree entirely. In fairness, history shows that most of the time, most people don't care about politics. It's only during times of crisis or major change that the majority stands up and takes notice, and often does so on the basis of half-truths and misinformation.

Changing this is a laudable goal but I'm not sure that it's a practical one.

edited 3rd May '13 7:23:28 AM by Fighteer

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#53914: May 3rd 2013 at 10:42:56 AM

Everyone who's been president for the last hundred years or so has been approved by elites, or is Teddy Roosevelt or LBJ. Maybe FDR. It's how the system works. The trick is to appeal to them without dancing on the strings shamelessly, like the republicans blatantly do. And to appeal to the "elites."

What the fuck is an elite, anyway? I have a feeling our definitions don't match up.

Don't get me wrong, though. A truly populist president has the potential to be wonderful. (They also have the potential to be terrifying.)

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#53915: May 3rd 2013 at 10:51:53 AM

Mrs. Pelosi could use to step down to another Speaker candidate if they really want to take the House back in 2014.

Also, Thomas could use keeping his political opinions in the closet. Or a least provide proof of his claim.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#53916: May 3rd 2013 at 10:53:52 AM

"elite"

n.

A person who happened to have a lot of wealth or clout and subsequently took on a different role in society, generally as one with a disproportionate ability to influence large-scale events.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#53918: May 3rd 2013 at 11:02:48 AM

You mean Clarence Thomas? Weird it doesn't look like his page in The Other Wiki says anything about Monsanto. Anyways I never actually kept track of the justices . But one who used to be a lawyer for Monsanto, of all corporations, is just scary. Why don't we elect justices instead of them being appointed ?

edited 3rd May '13 11:04:03 AM by Xopher001

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#53919: May 3rd 2013 at 11:03:50 AM

@Dr Tentacles,...You telling me Jimmy Carter wasn't Populist?

And as for Thomas,...does anyone give him credit after the Anita Hill bullshit?

edited 3rd May '13 11:07:35 AM by terlwyth

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#53920: May 3rd 2013 at 11:05:28 AM

Electing justices? Ha, bad idea. Tyranny of the majority and campaign financing and all that.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#53921: May 3rd 2013 at 11:07:20 AM

I never thought of that. What about tyranny of the minority. You know it exists.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#53922: May 3rd 2013 at 11:56:07 AM

[up]

It does. Its called the republican primaries.

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#53924: May 3rd 2013 at 12:00:39 PM

It's perfectly acceptable practice to count votes on a measure by way of acoustic impression, depending upon the rules of the legislature in question.

Nothing new there.

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#53925: May 3rd 2013 at 12:16:56 PM

Yeah but it's normally only done when there are no objections.

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