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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53876: May 2nd 2013 at 7:34:57 PM

I am trying to figure out what exactly he means by that. Is he saying that he thinks minorities(who are already disproportionately stopped) should be stopped even more often?

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53877: May 2nd 2013 at 7:39:07 PM

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“About 70 to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes — assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny — are described as being African-American,” Kelly said. “The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American. So really, African Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime,” Kelly argued. The “reality is that crime happens in communities of color. They are being disproportionately victimized.”

So to answer your question; yes.

The State Department's Office of Inspector General will review the internal audit on the Benghazi attack that cleared top officials, including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, of wrongdoing

edited 2nd May '13 7:44:26 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53878: May 2nd 2013 at 7:43:28 PM

I would think being poor is a more accurate indicator of crime rates. Minorities just happen to be poorer on average than white people.

I'm also unsure of how his logic works out. Because 70% of crimes are committed by black people that means the percentage of blacks searched must be comparable? That doesn't seem like a logical statement to make.

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#53879: May 2nd 2013 at 7:44:49 PM

Let's all hear it for the NYPD.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53880: May 2nd 2013 at 7:53:27 PM

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I think what he's tying to say is that since Blacks commit more violent crimes than any other group; than it makes sense that they would be stopped and frisked more than any other group.

President Obama on Thursday rounded out his second-term economic team by tapping Chicago businesswoman Penny Pritzker for Commerce secretary and Mike Froman to be the next U.S. Trade Representative.

edited 2nd May '13 7:57:36 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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OhnoaBear I'm back, baby. from Exiting, pursued by a... Since: Jan, 2011
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#53881: May 2nd 2013 at 7:59:35 PM

The issue comes from a tautology. Blacks commit crime, so we must therefore screen a greater amount of them than of other races. But since crime statitics can only be conclusively drawn from arrests and convictions, the increasing the rate of searches of Black people will only increase their porportion of the arrests and convictions.

Ideally, the stop and search stats should hold true to city demographics, rather than just "criminal" demographics.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#53882: May 2nd 2013 at 8:01:25 PM

@Kostya: The problem I see with your theory is that (as has been said upthread), the Tea Party believes that conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed.

If Bachmann were to be nominated and clobbered, then it's her failure and not a failure of their movement, and they'll go right on sabotaging things, because their base is not in danger. Maybe the loss of Texas and Arizona around 2020 will force them into irrelevance.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53883: May 2nd 2013 at 8:19:32 PM

[up]The base is shrinking though. At this point it's just a matter of waiting for them to shrink into irrelevance.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#53884: May 2nd 2013 at 8:29:10 PM

@Kostya: Possibly. They can easily prolong their period of relevance by gerrymandering and disenfranchisement, though.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53885: May 2nd 2013 at 9:12:19 PM

It all ties into private prisons to some extent, and good old fashioned institutionalized racism. (Which is what most of us want to fight against.)

Ugh, at this point I feel like we'd simply be better off legalizing pot across the board and work on making privately run prisons illegal simply so less people are arrested to begin with. What cops have spoken out about that racist stuff in the NYPD has seemed to indicate that they'd rather just not operate that way but are rather being forced to it by beauracracy or they'll lost money or something.

PhilippeO Since: Oct, 2010
#53886: May 2nd 2013 at 9:15:40 PM

Shrinking bases unfortunately not enough. Is not just gerrymandering, Democrats are losing 'number of county' they win every election. democrats number increase in dense area that already democratic, winning 71% rather than 51% in any electoral district is just waste of votes. Republicans win the house because Democrats over-concentrated in very small, very democratic cluster.

[down][down] They already split district based on population. the problem is democrats usually getting very dense very small district with more winning votes than needed. this happen even without gerrymandering.

edited 2nd May '13 9:40:45 PM by PhilippeO

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53887: May 2nd 2013 at 9:30:11 PM

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#53888: May 2nd 2013 at 9:30:54 PM

They should just split the districts by population. That might mean you get a bunch of tiny ones in New York or Los Angeles, but it makes it a lot more difficult to gerrymander.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#53889: May 2nd 2013 at 9:36:11 PM

[up][up]...And God is dead.

Redrawing districts will only work for so long. Key Democratic groups are growing while core Republican ones are static or beginning to die. Eventually they will have to either fade into irreverence or shift into a more sane position. Barring a major Democratic fuck up that tricks the public into voting a loony into office.

edited 2nd May '13 9:36:35 PM by Rationalinsanity

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53890: May 2nd 2013 at 9:40:25 PM

They're already split by population, Zendervai. That's how you get Dallas and Houston being their own districts, or more than one, but out in the boondocks, large swathes of Texas are made up of many counties because people are so far apart it takes up that much space in land to equal the population of the cities.

The gerrymandering is still occurring.

edited 2nd May '13 9:40:48 PM by AceofSpades

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#53891: May 2nd 2013 at 9:42:08 PM

Okay. I get it. It's just that in Canada, Toronto, for example, has like 15 voting districts. The one I live in is like twelve blocks.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53892: May 2nd 2013 at 9:43:43 PM

Our districts tend to be determined by how many people we get to vote into the House. So it depends on how much the population has grown or decreased by the time the Census comes around. We have twenty something in Texas right now. Not sure how it applies to the state legislature, but I rarely get to vote for anyone good who has a chance of winning.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#53893: May 2nd 2013 at 9:53:20 PM

The problem isn't how many districts we have, but how they're drawn. check this out for some examples

Note that there are some rules about keeping communities of interest together, sometimes. Not necessarily, though (apart from federal Voting Rights Act guidelines). Also, different states do things differently. Some states are good because they have independent redistricting panels. Others, however, basically let those in power in the state legislature draw the lines for themselves and for the federal House district.

By the way, if you ever thought that those small-scale elections for state House/Assembly/Senate don't count...oh yes they do.

edited 2nd May '13 9:54:13 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#53896: May 2nd 2013 at 10:16:42 PM

Ugh! It's this kind of counter-insanity that vindicates the existence of the Tea-Party madness. I suppose you'll get crazies on both sides,but it's still no more consolation.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53897: May 2nd 2013 at 10:23:24 PM

The other side getting just as crazy does nothing to vindicate the crazy already being generated by the Tea Party. That is a bullshit argument: extremism of this sort is never vindicated.

Anyway... I'm not sure about this argument, but really the "food insecure" part seems like the more important part of that article. The prostitution bit is just a cheap shot to gain readers. Overall, the argument is more reasonable than the title makes it seem.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#53898: May 2nd 2013 at 10:25:48 PM

FYI, Rep. Lee seems to be talking about women in third-world countries, from my skimming the article quickly.

And she's actually right about that, in the sense screwing up the climate increases the chance of destabilizing impoverished regions of the world, which easily leads to more conflict and flagrant violations of human rights, among which are sex crimes.

However, that was by far not the right way to put it. And it's not like men in those regions won't be affected; they'll be the ones shooting each other, for what it's worth. The picture isn't going to be pretty for anyone.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#53899: May 2nd 2013 at 11:53:41 PM

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In all fairness to them, sex-for-food was incredibly common in Western Europe following the fall of the Third Reich. A huge number of Tommies and GIs traded their rations for some legover.

With the Sovs, on the other hand, it was sex-for-life.

I'm not seeing anything hugely unreasonable with that argument. There is a pretty obvious causal link between societal breakdown and rape, hunger, etc.

edited 2nd May '13 11:53:58 PM by Achaemenid

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53900: May 3rd 2013 at 12:02:28 AM

Senator Reid defends remark likening Tea Party to modern-day anarchists

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