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#53754: Apr 30th 2013 at 6:12:05 PM

eh., standard republican BS.

The army is convenient when they want to justofy military industrial complex pork or use soldiers who are across the ocean and cant speak for themselves.

otherwise theyre persona non grata

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#53755: Apr 30th 2013 at 8:42:32 PM

The Arizona Senate has passed a bill making gold/silver legal tender.

The bill has already passed the House, and will now go to Governor Jan Brewer (R) who has not indicated whether or not she will sign it.

If it is signed into law, Arizona would be the second state to allow precious metals to be considered legal tender (after Utah), and would be completely up to individual businesses whether to accept it or not.

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#53756: Apr 30th 2013 at 8:56:23 PM

Ah love me tender.

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#53757: Apr 30th 2013 at 9:17:05 PM

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In other words. Not much will change because most businesses arent that stupid.

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#53758: May 1st 2013 at 2:42:15 AM

[up]It would oblige restaurants and banks to accept gold and silver as a method of payment. Legal tender means that you have to accept it for repaying a debt.

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#53759: May 1st 2013 at 4:30:29 AM

Who pays in gold and silver though? There's no real practical reason to do so since it's harder to carry it around than ordinary cash. Even if you're rich you wouldn't just hand out gold or silver, you'd just use money or a check.

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#53760: May 1st 2013 at 4:36:46 AM

I assume it's a form of political posturing.

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#53761: May 1st 2013 at 5:49:22 AM

Could lead to sch fun stuff as businesses using gold dust to make change for customers. That's what I would do to protest, at least.

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#53762: May 1st 2013 at 6:25:39 AM

It's more goldbug nonsense. The trouble comes from multiple angles: first, businesses would be forced to manage exchange rates — the daily price of gold and silver in dollars — so as not to get screwed. Second, they'd have to convert their POS systems to recognize gold/silver in terms of coinage and/or weight, depending on how the law works. Third, there would be a lot of difficulty working across state lines or with the federal government, since gold would not be legal tender in transactions with any of those.

Fourth, and clearly least in their minds, it's blatantly unconstitutional, as the Federal government has the explicit and exclusive right to determine what is and is not legal tender.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#53763: May 1st 2013 at 7:03:56 AM

Why are the states doing all this crap? I know they want to assert their own power, but this looks like a path to active Balkanization. And I'm pretty sure the Military can't function without the Federal government in place. And trading would be a massive pain for everyone else.

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#53764: May 1st 2013 at 7:38:50 AM

There is a very vocal minority who believe that fiat currency is an abomination and seek a return to "hard" currency. They fail both math and logic, but their arguments are very compelling to anti-government types and as such are readily adopted by movement conservatives.

Frankly, if those states really want to secede, I say let them. We'll save a ton of money in transfer payments.

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#53765: May 1st 2013 at 7:46:26 AM

The problem, of course, is that even if 90% of any given state wants to secede, that's still a lot left over who don't. It's like the Confederacy. Sure, the states voted to secede...if you don't count the slaves or the women, who didn't get a vote. Or the fact that some states voted against secession, and then their legislators did it anyway.

Not trying to start a Civil War derail, just pointing out "Let them secede" isn't so cut and dry.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#53766: May 1st 2013 at 7:49:56 AM

Noones going to secede. This will probably just blow over, like that petition last year

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#53767: May 1st 2013 at 7:50:12 AM

Well, of course. Secession is not a realistic possibility in today's world, but the people who try to pass laws like the one we're talking about don't have a very firm grasp on reality.

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#53768: May 1st 2013 at 7:52:35 AM

Senator Ted Cruz Considering Presidential Bid In 2016

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#53769: May 1st 2013 at 7:57:56 AM

Allowing a Texan secession would be, possibly, workable, though Austin wouldn't like it, and neither would the Hispanic population.

Allowing the states from Texas to South Carolina to secede would lead to Pakistanization (Florida would not have land access to the rest of the US), which has been a concern in Canada WRT a Quebec secession. We'd need to keep the Carolinas and Georgia, at least, as a matter of territorial integrity.

Allowing Arizona to secede alone (it doesn't have any neighbors who'd go with it) would create a failed state mostly surrounded by America, which isn't really in our interests. Arizona is not capable of supporting itself as a country.

A secession of the coasts would leave quite a few blue states out in the cold (and Alaska would not be happy to see this happen either, despite being theoretically a red state).

edited 1st May '13 8:00:10 AM by Ramidel

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#53770: May 1st 2013 at 8:01:21 AM

Secession as a solution to relatively minor issues like this matter of currency, matters which we more or less settled decades ago, or fairly subtle political differences is never good for anyone.

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#53771: May 1st 2013 at 8:15:06 AM

Secession is a perennial fantasy among those who believe that the union of the states won't acknowledge their particular notion of liberty. It's only dangerous when it goes beyond grandstanding and into open defiance, such as passing a blatantly unconstitutional law and then ignoring the courts when they strike it down.

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#53772: May 1st 2013 at 8:21:28 AM

@Bear, Fighteer: Pity. I do like the idea of getting rid of Texas to improve the health of the Union as a whole.

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#53774: May 1st 2013 at 8:45:57 AM

Bad idea, if you're a progressive. A: Texas progressives are some of the most hard core in the States; the hostile environment makes them so. B: If we flip Texas and turn it purple or blue in the next two decades? That will change a lot.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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#53775: May 1st 2013 at 8:48:51 AM

I thought that Texas progressives are so radical because they live in gerrymandered "throwaway" districts that only exist to siphon away Democratic voters from the remaining districts.

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