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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53401: Apr 19th 2013 at 6:32:55 PM

To be fair, Bush himself doesn't appear to care about being in the public eye. Comparisons between the Bushes and the Obamas seems to reveal the Bushes to have been homebodies that preferred keeping their private life private. *shrug*

Still don't think his brother stands much chance of being nominated, though. Two Bushes as presidents seems to have been enough for this country.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53402: Apr 19th 2013 at 6:36:06 PM

JEBAGEDDON 2016

Third time's the charm

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53405: Apr 19th 2013 at 6:48:39 PM

Yeah, that's so much more discriminatory than GOP backed bills designed to prevent teachers from even mentioning homosexuality in schools, prevent gay marriage from happening at all, and denying women protection orders partly because it'll help lesbians and transgender people.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53406: Apr 19th 2013 at 6:50:22 PM

[up]I thought most of the objection to VAWA had to do with its provisions for Native American women.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53407: Apr 19th 2013 at 6:51:06 PM

Funny, Fox News cares about gay people when it makes the Democrat bills look bad. Any other time and "TEH GAYZ ARE PERSECUTING US!"

edited 19th Apr '13 9:02:35 PM by Wildcard

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53408: Apr 19th 2013 at 6:56:23 PM

This should not be surprising. Don't you remember how they suddenly get very sympathetic towards black people when they think a Democrat is being racist?

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#53409: Apr 19th 2013 at 6:58:55 PM

...So the logic goes that Democrats, the large majority of which are fighting for the legalization of same-sex marriage, are discriminating against gays for introducing a bill that would give new rights to married partners, while Fox News, which is fighting against the legalization of same-sex marriage and, thus, against gays getting any of the benefits of marriage, which would now include this, are not discriminating against gays? Good to know.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#53410: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:00:34 PM

[up]

Republican Logic pretty much stops at "the democrats are evil and we are the heroes"

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53411: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:02:25 PM

I still can't fathom how anyone can't see through their smokescreen. It's incredibly transparent. Do people just not have critical thinking skills or something?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53412: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:03:28 PM

[up][up]Hey now can we stop the overgeneralizing? Lots of republicans aren't hypocrites.

[up]Well yeah a lot of people don't. Apparently the hypocrisy of shouting "freedom!" for gun control but yelling out against gay marriage escapes them.

edited 20th Apr '13 6:59:37 PM by Wildcard

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53413: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:06:08 PM

[up]Overgeneralizing about what, their treatment of gays? Being against them is the party line and anybody that isn't following it will be branded a traitor come the primaries.

edit: Actually I do know a few Republicans with a more Libertarian bent that think gay marriage should be legal. They don't fight for it like liberals though which is probably why it's not talked about often.

edited 19th Apr '13 7:07:35 PM by Kostya

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53414: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:07:01 PM

There are moderate Republicans who don't see eye to eye with them on Social Issues. Any possible presidential candidate will be voted out if they mentioned they would rather gay marriages be allowed but most people aren't the candidates.

edited 19th Apr '13 7:08:08 PM by Wildcard

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#53415: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:07:31 PM

@Kostya: That's the part a lot of people focused on, and was a very real danger. Uh, of losing those protection for those particular women. But the expanded protections also went to lesbian and trans people, from the articles I read.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53416: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:09:57 PM

[up][up]That's true but the party line is against those things and given the party's recent history I think they'll start purging those types soon.

[up]Okay what is the logic behind not giving lesbian women protection from abuse? They're still women.

Trans women is one thing because they're probably stupid enough to argue that it would only apply if you're born a woman but lesbians are women no matter what definition you use. Why would they not be included in a bill that gives rights to women?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53417: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:12:55 PM

I don't understand why the Republican party is acting so desperate. The Republican party isn't dying it's just losing popularity, especially amongst young people. But this has happened before.

Edit: Capitalization Correction

edited 19th Apr '13 7:15:26 PM by Wildcard

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53418: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:14:39 PM

Things have been trending away from them for a long time. I think they're finally starting to realize that all these young people, women, and minorities that are opposing them aren't just going to go away. They're getting more numerous while their primary demographic is shrinking.

They're not about to die out yet but if they continue on this path it will probably happen within the next twenty years.

edit: Just look at these exit polls. The Democrats lead in women by 10%, young people by 23%, non-whites by between 50% and 90%, etc. Those are statistically significant numbers and I think they're starting to realize that younger people won't become more conservative as they age. If they don't do something soon they'll have effectively lost those demographics forever which really screws them now that they're starting to outnumber older white people.

edited 19th Apr '13 7:19:15 PM by Kostya

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53419: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:16:50 PM

I don't know there pretty resilient. I fear that they will keep going this way but more people will start agreeing with them because of nostalgia for "Better more moral times".

edited 19th Apr '13 7:21:55 PM by Wildcard

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53420: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:20:38 PM

Yes but will they be willing to do that? They still seem to be operating under the policy that conservatism can never fail. Even if they do let up on those things they'll just morph into a more liberal party which means there won't be as much reason to oppose them anyway.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53421: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:22:22 PM

Sorry dude I read your message a second time and edited my response to something different.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53422: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:25:08 PM

The problem the Republican Party faces is that the far-right refuses to be pragmatic and shuns all moderates as RIN Os. And as Karl Rove's fall from grace and CPAC 2013's overall tone shows the far-right have managed to sustain a significant amount of power within the party.

edited 19th Apr '13 7:25:56 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53423: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:25:59 PM

[up][up]I don't think people will do that. Most of those that are nostalgic for the good old days are old people that have always been conservative. They never wanted societal progress to begin with.

You're saying everyone that supports gay marriage and such would suddenly change their minds when they're older and want it to be illegal again. That's not really how it works from what I can tell. The general trend in society is towards more tolerance, not less.

edited 19th Apr '13 7:26:14 PM by Kostya

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#53424: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:26:41 PM

I'm worried those nostalgic for "a more moral America" will actually gain more power and get people to agree with them by the time of the next presidential election.

[up]Hmm...good point. I doubt gay marriage will even be an issue a decade later, if it gets legalized, and people will be more tolerant. I guess that fear was unfounded.

edited 20th Apr '13 9:08:25 AM by Wildcard

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53425: Apr 19th 2013 at 7:32:54 PM

[up]They are already trying to do that and they're getting stomped on. That's one of the things the Republicans are using to build themselves up.

It's possible that the next generation might not support gay rights and stuff as much as the this one but I doubt it will suddenly be viewed as evil again. The genie is out of the bottle so to speak and I doubt it will be put back in, not when it has such massive support among the youth and the GOP itself is fighting a civil war over it.


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