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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#53101: Apr 13th 2013 at 3:47:37 PM

Am I wrong for thinking that would be an awesome game and they should release it on Steam?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#53102: Apr 13th 2013 at 4:09:13 PM

Michelle Bachmann asks non-bizarre questions?

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53103: Apr 13th 2013 at 4:13:10 PM

Ann Coulter Battles Grover Norquist: Immigrants Only Help Businesses Who ‘Benefit From Slave Labor’

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#53104: Apr 13th 2013 at 4:52:50 PM

-Spittakes-

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#53105: Apr 13th 2013 at 4:57:13 PM

to be fair. the thing is their solution is probably "deport" not "stop the companies from being dicks"

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#53106: Apr 13th 2013 at 5:05:14 PM

Yeah, they're kinda missing the point. "All these poor people are being horrifically exploited...so we should throw them back somewhere worse."

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#53107: Apr 13th 2013 at 5:24:59 PM

[up]... So living in any country that isn't the US is worse than being exploited?

Edit: I mean, if it's Somalia, or some other warlord controlling third-world country, sure... But just living in Canada/Mexico is worse than being exploited in the US? I love the US, but I'm not that in love with my country...

edited 13th Apr '13 5:27:11 PM by Swish

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53108: Apr 13th 2013 at 5:33:30 PM

Governor Rick Perry invited a gun manufacturer that has announced its intention to leave Connecticut to set up shop in Texas.

[up]

Illegal Immigrants who are being exploited in the US are free to leave at any time. The fact that they stay there shows that being exploited is obviously preferable to returning back to there own countries.

edited 13th Apr '13 5:37:33 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#53109: Apr 13th 2013 at 5:35:02 PM

[up][up]

The vast majority of Mexico isnt exactly job filled or money-filled.

Half the attraction of these companies that exploit them is even being exploited, their pay is better than back home and theres less gang violence.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53110: Apr 13th 2013 at 5:39:40 PM

[up]

Actually Mexico's unemployment rate is way lower than ours (4.9 to our 7.6). Though that might have something to due with there unemployed immigrating here...

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#53111: Apr 13th 2013 at 5:49:38 PM

[up]That doesn't mean much if the wages are even worse than the slave labor ones they get here.

Although I think your idea that their rate is low because they all come here is probably right.

edited 13th Apr '13 5:49:46 PM by Kostya

imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#53112: Apr 13th 2013 at 5:57:26 PM

The funny thing is, conditions in the USA don't necessarily have to be better than in Mexico (I've never been to either country, so I've no way to compare); the simple perception of 'the American Dream' and hope of making it big could keep people staying in the USA even if conditions are worse for them than they would be in their home country.

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#53113: Apr 13th 2013 at 6:31:38 PM

Who immigrates illegally from Canada? I honestly don't see the point.

Anyway, a possible way to deal with illegal immigration might to find out why the immigrated, and if it was for work, allow them to get a green card. They've proven they can work, and they live there already, so why not?

edited 13th Apr '13 6:45:31 PM by Zendervai

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#53114: Apr 13th 2013 at 6:52:12 PM

[up]The biggest reason: The moment they become legal citizens, they'll want a fair wage*

. At which point they'll be fired in favor of a new illegal immigrant that'll take the lower wage...

Which, essentially, creates what the GOP red-neck racists have been complaining about all along: a new citizen losing a job in favor of an illegal that took it... tongue

edited 13th Apr '13 6:53:07 PM by Swish

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#53115: Apr 13th 2013 at 7:05:45 PM

[up][up]Students. They come here on a Student Visa, and then they forget to renew it, and whatdoyouknow, now they're illegal immigrants.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#53117: Apr 13th 2013 at 11:49:15 PM

So living in any country that isn't the US is worse than being exploited?

Edit: I mean, if it's Somalia, or some other warlord controlling third-world country, sure... But just living in Canada/Mexico is worse than being exploited in the US? I love the US, but I'm not that in love with my country...

Canada is one thing, but Mexico is kind of in the middle of a massive drug war where you can pretty safely assume any given government official or law enforcement to be ridiculously corrupt because drug cartels have been wholesale murdering the ones who aren't. To say nothing of the human trafficking, forced labor rings, or how the murder rate has gone up by over six times in the last decade alone as people get caught in the crossfire.

So yeah, I wouldn't at all blame an illegal immigrant for thinking it's preferable to be exploited for unfairly low pay.

edited 13th Apr '13 11:52:41 PM by Pykrete

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#53118: Apr 14th 2013 at 9:13:59 AM

Yeah, Mexico is about a few major gang wars away from becoming a failed state tbh.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#53119: Apr 14th 2013 at 11:57:07 AM

For perspective, the annual rate of murder in Mexico directly related to the drug war is about equal to the US's total murder rate (absolute, not per capita). They have a third of the population.

They also happen to have stricter gun laws than us. While not indicative of guns = !murder, it certainly kicks !guns = !murder in the balls.

edited 14th Apr '13 4:03:01 PM by Pykrete

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#53121: Apr 14th 2013 at 2:17:28 PM

The Obama's tax returns for 2012

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53122: Apr 14th 2013 at 2:37:53 PM

[up]

And Joe Biden's Tax Returns.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#53123: Apr 14th 2013 at 4:47:15 PM

While not indicative of guns = !murder, it certainly kicks !guns = !murder in the balls.

Actually, it isn't, really. Now, if one compared it to a country with a similar infestation of gangs and whatnot or if you compared a country without such infestations with the US, and you found that the one with stricter gun regulation to have a higher or equal murder rate, that would be a piece of evidence to show that stricter gun regulation does not yield less murder. It only kicks !guns = !murder if you are disregarding the effects of other stuff, such as the drug cartels which have infested Mexico like a termite infestation as a result of the War on Drugs™.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#53124: Apr 14th 2013 at 5:16:45 PM

As a primary force, I meant. The vast, vast majority of firearm murders in both countries have more to do with wider economic clusterfuck than guns themselves.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#53125: Apr 14th 2013 at 6:49:20 PM

Santorum hospitalized, cancels trip to Iowa

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