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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#52951: Apr 11th 2013 at 9:34:38 AM

That was the entire grand bargain to begin with. His idea. His policy. His goal.

And the poster above me needs to be more depressed. 😡

edited 11th Apr '13 9:39:15 AM by Sledgesaul

TheGirlWithPointyEars Never Ask Me the Odds from Outer Space Since: Dec, 2009
Never Ask Me the Odds
#52952: Apr 11th 2013 at 9:46:08 AM

Getting depressed doesn't solve anything. Organizing, getting your voice heard by the Washington pols representing you, getting others to understand what they need for an informed vote in a couple years time - that might.

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#52953: Apr 11th 2013 at 9:49:09 AM

This is really a cause for organizing protests. OWS was able to move a million or so in a number of major cities, right? Five million on the Mall telling O to forget CPI might get the point across.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#52955: Apr 11th 2013 at 12:52:47 PM

[up]I'm certain Biden would get screwed out as well,so we'd be stuck with Boehner.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#52957: Apr 11th 2013 at 1:05:15 PM

EVERYONE! DO THE NIXON!
Please tell me I do not need to explain the difference between a little activist group outing comments by elected officials to the public, and a sitting President stealing materials and attempting to sabotage his political opposition.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Drtentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#52958: Apr 11th 2013 at 1:23:28 PM

Ryan Says He's 'Cautiously Optimistic' On A Bipartisan Budget Deal

I...don't like this. At all. Frankly, I'd be much more comfortable if he was saying there was no way in hell. Ryan's the worst sort of extremist, and part of the cancer that's killing /b/

/cough

I mean America.

edited 11th Apr '13 1:23:58 PM by Drtentacles

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#52959: Apr 11th 2013 at 2:05:10 PM

Please tell me I do not need to explain the difference between a little activist group outing comments by elected officials to the public, and a sitting President stealing materials and attempting to sabotage his political opposition.

Other than the fact that it wasn't on the President's order, there isn't one. It's material stolen from the opposition and aired to sabotage them. The fact that you approve of it doesn't magically make it legally gray enough to wishy-wash around.

edited 11th Apr '13 2:05:46 PM by Pykrete

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#52960: Apr 11th 2013 at 2:27:35 PM

[up]Wait, the watergate tapes were aired? (before the investigation, I mean) I thought it was jut regular spying.

[up][up]/b/ is like Deadpool, the cancer is what's making it immortal.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#52961: Apr 11th 2013 at 2:46:21 PM

Moreover, just because there are similarities to Watergate doesn't justify the Nixon comparision. Nixon did far worse things than Watergate.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#52962: Apr 11th 2013 at 2:50:09 PM

[up][up] Fine. Used to sabotage them. Like I said, the fact that people happen to agree more with this one doesn't change that as far as the law is concerned it's still espionage of government officials, and the FBI doesn't fuck around with that.

edited 11th Apr '13 2:51:08 PM by Pykrete

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#52963: Apr 11th 2013 at 3:14:18 PM

I've lost a lot of faith in Obama because of this.

Is he fucking afraid of Republicans or something?

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#52964: Apr 11th 2013 at 3:20:58 PM

@Thorn: Welcome to the club. :)

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#52965: Apr 11th 2013 at 3:37:51 PM

What we've got with Obama is a standard case of 1979 Jimmy Carter,all bad moves attempting to please everyone and pleasing no one.

If George W Bush was George Bush with two terms and idiocy cranked Up To Eleven,Obama is a two-term Jimmy Carter in almost every way imaginable except less competent and without a sane foreign policy.

Same dark horse entry,same affable but uncharismatic opponent that was considered too liberal by the GOP,same absolute failure to really do too much in execution,same "it's the other guys fault" tactics to get in.

That or Obama genuinely is the most conservative Democrat since Grover Cleveland

That's my best guess on why this crap is happening.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#52966: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:19:25 PM

Obama is unique in that no other president in recent history has faced this sort of Congressional obstruction. He has made or attempted to make genuinely centrist/progressive moves but the GOP quashes both them and any procedural thing he tries to do that might make him and the Dems look good. So the economy isn't in great shape and he's backed into a corner (until the public throws out the GOP House majority/maintains Democratic control of the House, which is uncertain on a good day), so I can at least understand where he is coming from. I don't like what he is doing but maybe he is just trying to keep the Dems viable and hopes the public will give him a better Congress?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52967: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:21:36 PM

While it's not impossible for the Dems to win the 2014 elections, Obama will have to bend over backwards and have a good dose of luck to get that prize.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#52968: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:24:32 PM

I'm more confident about 2016, the Dems get a better turnout during presidential elections and they have some good candidates in the wings. Plus they will be defending fewer Senate seats and maybe demographics will shift enough to gain more ground in the House. Not sure though.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#52969: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:28:53 PM

Its a pretty hard situation to deal with.

How do you handle half of the government hating you so much that they're willing to let the country collapse just to get you out?

And they have such a good manipulative PR system they can convince people that you're the bad guy in all this.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#52970: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:30:50 PM

I'll be fair and say that Obama's opposition in the legislature has been unusually obstructionist. We didn't even have this magnitude of "stonewall EVERYTHING" in the years leading up to the Civil War; even they could agree and compromise on side issues and everyday tangential stuff.

Still, buckling to them is the worst thing he could be doing.

edited 11th Apr '13 4:31:57 PM by Pykrete

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#52971: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:31:37 PM

Its amazing what you can accomplish when you don't give a shit about the state of the country because you can blame it on someone else.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#52972: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:32:08 PM

hell, theyre so obstructionist I believe if Obama sponsored the Ryan plan, Ryan would disown it.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#52973: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:33:12 PM

The thing about Dems having a better turn out during presidential elections really frustrates me. I mean, it's not like things only happen in major election years, so why isn't the public paying attention in the years between those? For that matter, how do we get people to realize that and go vote for Congressional representatives in the odd years?

[up]And Jesus Christ, wouldn't that just be the greatest plot for a Twilight Zone episode?

edited 11th Apr '13 4:33:46 PM by AceofSpades

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#52974: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:35:10 PM

[up]

Probably because most people just liked Obama alone and voted for him for that reason alone and then stopped caring about anything else.

I'm pretty much convinced that a White Obama would not have won.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#52975: Apr 11th 2013 at 4:36:41 PM

You're buying into the racist rhetoric that Obama only won because of his skin color there, Thorn. That's not a good place to be, for several reasons.

It also doesn't address the fact that this isn't unique to the last few rounds of elections to begin with, so...

edited 11th Apr '13 4:37:21 PM by AceofSpades


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