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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Excellent point Card, but I was specifically referring to that group as a whole, only in the context of the red-blue divide, as the gun control issue tends to be.
I was using that as a statement that a lot of people who tend to think like minded forget that they are not the only ones with an opinion, and they're certainly not the only ones with a vote.
Obama may have drubbed Romney by the odd machinations of the electoral college, but the results show a lot of people aren't fans of his. A significant number in fact.
It was an honorWell, for those of you wondering what potential loonies with a will to kill would do if guns were banned...they'd go stabbity stabbity
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Your gun control debate just got a lot more interesting...
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Indeed. They just get all the attention, which is sad, really, because they're frankly a blip in the overall ugly pattern of gun violence. I don't think it'll be easy, or maybe even possible to curb mass shootings. (Mental health care would go a long way.)
What guns laws should be doing is to overhaul and strengthen the ATF, strengthen background checks and availability to mental health care, attack arms trafficking, and try to reduce the more common kinds of gun violence. At times, this will require reducing availability (Do we have any statistics on how many gun crimes fall under "crimes of passion?").
However, I don't think an outright ban is a good idea. At all. There should be restrictions, but they shouldn't be on cosmetics. (I'm torn about magazine sizes. Smaller magazines won't impede a trained shooter, but many people aren't trained shooters.)
Overall, I think we need better education, and more research.
edited 9th Apr '13 2:18:28 PM by Drtentacles
Let's re-institute the gentleman's dueling sword. I could go for that. (Kidding mode. I don't really want someone emotionally compromised to have anything but their fists to attack me with in the heat of the moment.) It would be classy, however.
Gun Control is one of the things that I'm more centrist than Democrat on. It's one of my sticking points, but at least it's something even democrats aren't unanimous about. I would like control, but people like Fienstein make my head hurt. I also would like to see more democrats supporting nuclear energy.
GOP Senators denounce attempted GOP filibuster of Gun Control Legislation
There's still hope. Perhaps. One of the big problems with Gun Control Legislation always comes after a tragedy, thus, it tends to be populist (In the bad, pondering to the lowest common denominator kind, lawmakers desperate to show they're doing something, anything), somewhat hysterical (it's always hysterical on the GOP side, but after a tragedy, it gets hysterical on the Dem side as well), and poorly thought out. Sadly, without a tragedy to motivate it, it's impossible to get any sort of legislation whatsoever.
edited 9th Apr '13 3:33:14 PM by Drtentacles
So that has a chance in the Senate? Good for them, even if the House does not act upon it.
And what is that blather from Inhofe? After reading 3 times, I still don't get it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman@Maxima: Several things. First, Obama beat Romney in the popular vote as well, and Democrats received more votes running for Congress nationwide than did Republicans running for Congress. It would be more accurate to say that Republicans did as well as they did because of gerrymandering efforts. (And yes, I know Democrats do it too.) Second, universal registration and background checks are massively popular even among conservatives and Republicans in many regions; it would have to be for that policy to get a ~91% approval result when polled. Finally, did you notice the efforts to sabotage and dismantle the legislation that was passed, through nonelected means as lawyer-dogpiling and slipping linguistic tricks into the legislation? Not very democratic.
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edited 9th Apr '13 4:45:16 PM by RadicalTaoist
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.Senator McConnell (R-KY) accuses Kentucky liberal PAC of bugging campaign HQ
GAO finds billions in wasteful, duplicative federal spending
Senate Judiciary panel to see legal justification for killing US citizens
FBI Asked To Probe How Mother Jones Obtained Secret Audio Of McConnell Meeting About Ashley Judd
Obama budget director nominee grilled on regulatory agenda
Senator Inhofe (R-OK): Donating pay over sequester ‘childish,’ public relations stunt
True which is why we should be looser when trying to pass a single morality code and instead have an attitude of "I'll believe what I believe and you are free to do so as well" Though for it to work we have to agree to certain morality by laws that are secular in nature and for the safety and freedom of all our people.
Also Radical is right, Obama did win the popular vote. Wasn't Romney pretty divisive among the Republicans anyway?
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edited 9th Apr '13 7:45:42 PM by Wildcard
In other news,
edited 9th Apr '13 8:24:40 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Oh my God, no one cares of someone visits fucking Cuba. Maybe they want to learn about the culture! Maybe they want to open up Cubans to the fun parts of capitalism and democracy! Maybe they just want to make money visiting Cuba!
Seriously, I understand why we put the embargo and shit in place, but it's obsolete now and needs to be done away with. It serves no purpose and it gives idiot politicians a moronic chance to complain about something that's no longer a threat and thus shouldn't be a concern.
Is this a good idea?
Pentagon opts to fund controversial multi-nation missile defense program
edited 9th Apr '13 10:04:34 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016

A clip from the Esquire article.
Now, if you'd indulge me, I'd like to retort. This paragraph is accurate, in a sense, and sums up the failure not of Obama, but of the socialist-progressive bloc.
I honestly feel like since the left-wing picked gay rights to be it's flagship cause and won, they felt as if "We can do anything." No...you can't.
Obama's failure on gun control is precisely because not everyone buys the left's party line. Many of us on the right see the clear truth that the problem is far less gun proliferation, and more the continued problem of urban blight and crime in combination with the continued problem of a total lack of any apparatus to accurate notice, let alone treat, severely damaged individuals.
Yes, there is another America. And while this author laments it as some kind of problem, I see it merely a reminder that no, not everyone sees your vision of the country as the one that has to be. And if you want them to work with you, then you'll listen to what they have to say and not ignore them.
Democracy basically.
It was an honor