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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#52651: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:31:35 AM

Okay gang, we're heading down Apple Lane on the way to Orange Boulevard.

The CEO making $100 million while the receptionist is on food stamps is unacceptable. The answer is not penalizing the CEO, it's actually enforcing something akin to a liveable wage.

Another thing politicians seems to shy away from doing. Admittedly, the Republidoofuses are the primary criminals in that one.

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A procrastination in of itself
#52652: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:31:54 AM

You could get the UK to shut the dam things down ourselves if we weren't afraid the money would just flee to other havens. that's the problem, even if you shut down all the British and similarly controlled havens, you've still got the ones in places that are much less friendly and more likely to shoot and US troops coming in.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#52653: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:32:00 AM

Eh, hit-and-run is still not diplomatically sound, and US is already getting bad rep for invading before we have better justification.

I'm wondering just how much of the talk we had about taxation really relates to this thread, and I'm wondering if we should move it. But at the same time, the thread we move it to may have different standards.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#52654: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:34:13 AM

What might be a more efficient solution is to lean on Britain. Many tax havens are British overseas territories, and, since, legally-speaking, the British government recognizes no limit to its territorial or legal sovereignty, not to mention that "Parliament can make or unmake any law it likes" (because fuck checks and balances)note , means that Britain could simply either order them to raise taxes, abolish their legislatures and impose direct rule, incorporate them into the UK proper as parliamentary constituencies, or offer them independence (and thus force them to act like an actual nation, rather than a tax haven that has all of its foreign and much of its domestic expenses paid by the British taxpayer, i.e me).

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A procrastination in of itself
#52655: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:36:23 AM

Yeah, that's "What's really stopping a President from sending the Marines to the Cayman Islands", the fact that it's British territory and you'd be invading an ally. Get us to shut them down and you're good to go. We don't like them either, I assume we just keep them round so the money doesn't run to other tax havens.

edited 5th Apr '13 10:37:20 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#52656: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:37:45 AM

So we'd need a progressive Democrat in the White House with the support of both houses of Congress, and...wait, is there a party in Westminster that'd be willing to work with a president on such a venture? I'm sure Old Labour would love it, but they don't run Labour anymore.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#52657: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:49:41 AM

Can we move this particular tax argument to another thread? It's drowning out everything else.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#52658: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:50:53 AM

[up][up]Quite a few Lib Dems would actually break out in Social Democrat over some of that at the drop of a hat. <_< Others, of course... not so much. tongue

edited 5th Apr '13 10:51:34 AM by Euodiachloris

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A procrastination in of itself
#52659: Apr 5th 2013 at 10:51:31 AM

Please, it would mean more money for the British government (we don't get money from the tax havens either, in fact they drain us to), any party would agree to it, the Civil Service would make them. But look at the Wikipedia list of tax havens, even if you close all the US and UK ones (there are plenty of US ones), you've still got Italian ones, Dutch ones, UAE ones and 8 entire countries. Good luck. That's the problem, it's like nuclear weapons. We aren't gonna give up our tax havens unless everyone else gives up there's.

edited 5th Apr '13 10:52:34 AM by Silasw

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#52661: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:17:41 AM

[up]Not a mod or a herald but I just want to point out the longstanding tradition in that thread. The norm is to write posts that contribute to the conversation, or to learn/teach and discuss economic ideas. It's not a place to complain about the woes of the bureaucrats or anything, even if it's true. It's not IJBM.

Unfortunately, talk in this thread has (naturally) not been always like that. So if you're going to continue this in the economics thread, please respect how that thread works. Don't just migrate this conversation there copy-paste style and continue to treat that thread the same as this thread. I know this thread's more tolerant of loose remarks; not so much there.

edited 5th Apr '13 11:19:17 AM by Trivialis

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52663: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:36:31 AM

She's not going to succeed. Most laws concerning violent video games have been struck down really quickly after passage, I recall.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#52664: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:43:00 AM

[up][up] I already hate Feinstine. Probably the worst Democrat politician, and one of the worst politicians in Congress.

And yup, Boehner is reacting exactly like I predicted.

...Obama, your budget is as stupid as fuck.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#52665: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:43:12 AM

Diane Feinstein knows nothing about guns. Diane Feinstein knows nothing about video games. Diane Feinstein wants to legislate on guns. Diane Feinstein wants to legislate on video games. Why does she want to do this?

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#52666: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:44:08 AM

Well, at least she's consistent. While being mixed on both, I certainly don't think games should get more regulations without on guns also.

Still don't want to go as far as she does on those.

edited 5th Apr '13 11:44:33 AM by Trivialis

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52668: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:50:35 AM

Interesting question: What is happening to Congress's paychecks?

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#52669: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:51:30 AM

Nothing. 27th amendment bars any change on it for another ~2 years.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52670: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:52:59 AM

Ahem, what are they doing with their wages? Obama is refunding part of his wage, as I understand, because you can't change his wage either.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#52671: Apr 5th 2013 at 11:56:49 AM

It's not a fully truthful statement, but the main point remains. Think of it as similar to the "truth" that all rich people made it from stocks.

Those aren't similar at all. The "truth" that all rich people made it from stocks is almost completely false — barely 3% of them did. The "truth" that 47% of people don't pay income tax is actually true — specifically, because their income is so terrifyingly low that they actually get credit from deductions at the end of their form, but still have to pay a disproportionately painful sales and property tax.

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#52673: Apr 5th 2013 at 12:12:58 PM

[up] I love that the 'Republican National Committee' is calling Obama's remark sexist. Of all the institutions to cry at sexism.

It's like you have to take your sense of self-awareness out back and shoot it in the head as your opening prerequisite for calling yourself a Republican.

Taken in and of itself, the comment didn't seem especially offensive to me, since it was paired with heavy emphasis on her competence at the job. But I guess when most women are still struggling for equal representation at the top of the political pyramid, you've got to be a little extra careful about how you compliment them.

edited 5th Apr '13 12:15:47 PM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#52674: Apr 5th 2013 at 12:24:47 PM

Ahem, what are they doing with their wages? Obama is refunding part of his wage, as I understand, because you can't change his wage either.

Here's your answer

Yet in a survey of Senate offices by The Hill, only Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Senators Mark Begich (D-AK), Claire Mc Caskill (D-MO), Mike Lee (R-UT) and Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) have indicated they would give up some of their take-home pay.

That's 5 out of 100 Senators.

Major General Ralph Baker became the second senior commander to be removed from the U.S. Africa Command in less than six months, defense officials said.

Scott Brown Won’t Rule Out New Hampshire Senate Bid

edited 5th Apr '13 12:28:18 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52675: Apr 5th 2013 at 12:27:31 PM

5 out of 100?

Also, Pelosi, that was a bad move. You do realize you are one of the most unpopular things in the US, right?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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