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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Also the state with the strictest gun laws in the country (I might be wrong but I think is New York) also has a good chunk of it's population living in one of the largest cities in the country. Think Starship the effect gun laws must be if we have NYC and we've still got a relatively low rate of gun violence.
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Sadly, that's something that's difficult to prove (also New-York was a hellhole until the 90s, and I think Starship is a NYC native). SO unless we have a similar city (And no two cities are exactly the same) with more or less lax gun-laws, it's hard to isolate gun laws as a factor in violence.
Personally, I think they reduce gun violence, but it's damningly hard to test. Especially with people unwilling to try.
edited 4th Apr '13 9:17:20 AM by DrTentacles
Look this isn't hard, we know that in depressed areas, including depressed rural areas violence is up, and gun violence will correlate with that rise. There's literally a hundred studies that show this.
So when I see "gun laws! Need more laws!" I see a way to cop out from actually addressing income disparity, education disparity, and social services disparities that actually lead to gun violence.
It was an honorIt's becoming a bit tired that the excuse for every failed Democrat bid is "Well the Republicans......" (Granted, it's as lame as Democrat treachery being the cause of every Republican failing).
Obama decided to fix healthcare by introducing his forced heathcare bill, which I can see the logic in, partially. He did nothing to address the fact that the healthcare companies have an oligopoly and have set their own unchallenged skyrocketed costs.
Cutting social services is pretty fucking stupid, but that does nothing to address the fact that the government really does waste money on many dubious endeavors.
Stop always blaming the other guys and start actually addressing those things. (Ty the way, that's directed at both parties)
edited 4th Apr '13 9:54:01 AM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honor![]()
But they're going to block gun control reform to. If they're going to block everything then we might as well make it so they are blocking the more important things. Unless this is a bluff, get the GOP so focused on guns control that you can slip in some other reforms under the radar.
Alright, Starship. Let's hear your grand idea. I've been frustrated by this for the past five years.
The Republicans have been blocking everything. Everything. Name on piece of reform that actually helps that has a snowball's chance of hell of getting in.
Obama's appointments are filibustered. They do the stupid "Now we're in session, now we're not thing" to keep him from appointing people, then when he does something, ret-con those appointments out of existence. The Obamacare we got was a compromise, forced by the republicans, and the original version would fixed those problems you described. Obamacare is a more right-wing version of an idea that was originally a GOP thing, proposed as an alternative to Clinton's plan that would has done exactly what you just said you want.
They tried to repeal Obamacare 39 times.
There is nothing the republicans will not do to sabotage Obama, and the democrats. This isn't hyperbole. This is simple fact. They have proven willing to quite literally risk another recession, and destroy countless jobs for the sake of their own ambition.
If you have a solution, I'm all ears.
edited 4th Apr '13 10:10:57 AM by DrTentacles
Obamacare is meant to push towards more socialized medicene. Unfortunately with the sheer scale of the law, some of it's more key effects only start kicking in next year:
- Insurance Marketplaces backed by the government to start getting more people on healthcare (which is a major way to help drive down costs.) - The Mandate fee/tax/whatever the Supreme Court ruled it as, where you have to pay for not having insurance for whatever reasons you have. - Medicaid expansions - Tax Credits - Elimination of annual limits on coverage. - The end of the generally loathed "No coverage because of pre-existing condition" policies most insurance companies have.
:x A lot of the healthcare law needs /time/ for its effects to kick in.
And to back up Tentacles' point, I'd like to link to this again: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm
This is part of the problem, that people have trouble seriously grasping how much obstructionism has risen over time, how compromise has become less and less viable. This is not business as usual in Washington.
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.A universal healthcare program, the treatment of drug addiction across the board as a medical rather than criminal problem (we don't charge you for being sick, we treat you), and the federal legalization of marijuana would drop urban shooting rates like a rock. The drug trade would die in a year.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.When I see either party follow this common sense approach and not instead go with the current system which locks up black and brown people and makes money for the State, then we can talk.
It was an honor

I knew there was a reason I hated taking math in school.
So is this survey just gonna alienate people further?
edited 4th Apr '13 9:05:05 AM by Wildcard