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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#52201: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:07:11 PM

@Carney: That's just using Newtown for political gain. He should be ashamed. It doesn't make a bit of difference whether the Republicans filibuster. It'll never pass the House anyway. And to suggest otherwise, to use the slaughter of children as a political weapon against your opponents? That man doesn't deserve to direct traffic, much less speak for the president.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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#52202: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:25:28 PM

I think he makes some valid points. And as far as using a tragedy for political gain, we've seen plenty of that on both sides. No need to single this guy out.

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#52203: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:30:55 PM

Yeah, but Democrats/Liberals have been the ones, largely, to turn this into "You think we should carefully consider gun restrictions? You an evil child killing monster!" To be sure, it's not a lot of them, but it's an uncomfortable number. And then they wonder why nobody takes them seriously.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#52204: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:35:12 PM

We should make a drinking game for whenever a politician uses a tragedy for political gain.

Barney Frank blames Republicans for delays in implementing Dodd-Frank reform

President Barack Obama has proposed an effort to map the brain's activity in unprecedented detail, as a step toward finding better ways to treat conditions as Alzheimer's, autism, stroke and traumatic brain injuries.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:41:30 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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#52205: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:35:57 PM

And yet, on the other side, the NRA is bulldozing over anyone even daring to question that maybe we shouldn't have guns and large magazines so readily available as they are. Including a well respected astronaut and teachers who think the idea of having armed employees IN A SCHOOL is fucking stupid. The right, in this case, is demonstrably worse.

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#52206: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:38:14 PM

Whew! That BRAIN thing sounds really cool!

Is it going to pass, though?

On the gun thing, well, anti-gun people have made their share in stupid things too...

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#52207: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:39:34 PM

Thus far, every effort to so much as initiate dialogue about guns has been slapped down by the Republicans. I don't always agree with the democratic policies with guns, but the Republicans want to maintain a shred of credibility, Starship, they can at least try to discuss what regulations are available, not alternately push for, paradoxically, more guns, or stubbornly reject every attempt to so much as collect data on the problem.

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#52208: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:40:33 PM

The right, in this case, is demonstrably worse.

A common conceit. Not necessarily an accurate one.

[up] It would probably help if we made the distinctions between the NRA and other companies with a dog in the "Sell as many BFG's as possible to as many people" race and actual conservatives/Republicans.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:41:52 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#52209: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:42:40 PM

[up] I'll make that distinction when they show that there is one. Thus far, their lawmakers and elected representatives have done nothing to establish there is one.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:43:59 PM by DrTentacles

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#52210: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:44:59 PM

Sandy Hook principal could have prevented massacre with a handgun, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) tells students

EVERYONE TAKE A DRINK!

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#52211: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:46:47 PM

[up] Goddamnit! Is this a cruel joke that every time I say Republicans are actually sane, they specifically choose that moment to mock me???

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#52212: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:47:17 PM

I would like to know what the principal and teachers of Sandy Hook have to say about these people.

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#52213: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:47:17 PM

As I was saying.

At least when the left Feinstien's make idiot proposals, they get called on it by other democrat representatives.

[up][up] Starship, I don't doubt that many of "Republicans" are willing to talk sane plans. That they don't want to arm every man, woman, and child. But the fact is, that's not being represented by elected officials. And when the views of supposed "republicans" aren't being represented by the republican party, they have no business calling themselves Republicans until they are. What they need to do is vote for candidates that represent their views, give support to the candidates that represent their views (democrat or republican), and not support the people shouting stupid ideas, no matter their party affiliation.

I suspect many self-declared republicans are starting to realize the party they identify with has utterly abandoned them as this point.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:50:55 PM by DrTentacles

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#52214: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:48:17 PM

Democrats/Liberals have been the ones, largely, to turn this into "You think we should carefully consider gun restrictions? You an evil child killing monster!"

Yeah, can't say I've heard that one. I have heard a lot of "You want to consider gun restrictions at all? You're a tree-hugging pinko commie facist shill for the Antichrist Obama and his One World Government!" (I may have exaggerated a bit, but at least I left out the ethnic and religious slurs).

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#52215: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:50:00 PM

I acknowledge that lots of Republicans have behaved badly here. But guys, your response to my criticism of a Democrat shouldn't just be a knee-jerk "But Republicans are worse." That may be true, but it's not the sign of an independent mind, and it's not actually a response to the content of my post.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:50:33 PM by Ultrayellow

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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#52216: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:50:53 PM

[up] This.

I suspect many self-declared republicans are starting to realize the party they identify with has utterly abandoned them as this point.

I have no idea what you mean (walks away slowly while whistling).

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:52:56 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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#52217: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:52:22 PM

[up][up] Except that is Valid. Yes, democrats can be bad. However, the way our political system goes, you have to vote for the party that is "Less Bad" until the party that is "More bad" loses often enough that they realize that they need to adopt some of the policies of the less-bad party.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:52:44 PM by DrTentacles

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#52218: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:56:22 PM

That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is the way you guys refused to acknowledge that the "Less Bad" party was doing something wrong at all.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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#52219: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:57:37 PM

I don't think I've seen anyone on this thread proclaiming that Democratic policies were perfect. If they were...well...yeah...

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#52220: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:58:56 PM

Texas Governor Rick Perry: Border security key in Texas DA murders

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:59:31 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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#52221: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:00:52 PM

[up] How do you spell "cynically redirecting the issue to something that you have no evidence of?"

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#52222: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:05:34 PM

[up]

of course,. Its totally those latino aryan brotherhood members. why didnt we see it before.

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#52223: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:19:01 PM

Ultrayellow: First of all, saying "for political gain" is like saying "using it because it's a thing that happened and helps to illustrate my point and here's why". Particularly in this context. Politicians on both sides do it, because using real life events is actually quite sensible for anyone to do. Whether they do it well or wisely is another matter entirely. And the Republicans are using that same slaughter to suggest we should arm school employees. Which is demonstrably stupid to anyone who can think through possible consequences. So no, I'm not going to castigate someone for using a real life event to draw a conclusion or draft legislation. I'm going to castigate them for drafting stupid legislation and using their influence to make sure no discussion about the issue happens.

Regarding Rick Perry: Not surprising that he's doing that. Nevermind that's not where the actual legal officials have been going with the evidence, he's got to throw his two cents in all uninformed about the case.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
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#52224: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:20:56 PM

[up][up]Well, you see, they got their guns from Mexico, which were originally bought in the US... If the borders were more secure, they'd have stopped the DA from being murdered. Twice. tongue

edited 3rd Apr '13 3:21:45 PM by Swish

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#52225: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:21:36 PM

@Ace: Re-read the page on Godwin's Law.

This is the exact same thing. Would you defend his use of a Nazi comparison?

Example: You know who else used a lot of guns? NAZIS. Ban all the guns!

edited 3rd Apr '13 3:22:01 PM by Ultrayellow

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

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