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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Yeah, but Democrats/Liberals have been the ones, largely, to turn this into "You think we should carefully consider gun restrictions? You an evil child killing monster!" To be sure, it's not a lot of them, but it's an uncomfortable number. And then they wonder why nobody takes them seriously.
It was an honorWe should make a drinking game for whenever a politician uses a tragedy for political gain.
Barney Frank blames Republicans for delays in implementing Dodd-Frank reform
edited 3rd Apr '13 2:41:30 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016And yet, on the other side, the NRA is bulldozing over anyone even daring to question that maybe we shouldn't have guns and large magazines so readily available as they are. Including a well respected astronaut and teachers who think the idea of having armed employees IN A SCHOOL is fucking stupid. The right, in this case, is demonstrably worse.
Thus far, every effort to so much as initiate dialogue about guns has been slapped down by the Republicans. I don't always agree with the democratic policies with guns, but the Republicans want to maintain a shred of credibility, Starship, they can at least try to discuss what regulations are available, not alternately push for, paradoxically, more guns, or stubbornly reject every attempt to so much as collect data on the problem.
A common conceit. Not necessarily an accurate one.
It would probably help if we made the distinctions between the NRA and other companies with a dog in the "Sell as many BFG's as possible to as many people" race and actual conservatives/Republicans.
edited 3rd Apr '13 2:41:52 PM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honorEVERYONE TAKE A DRINK!
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016As I was saying.
At least when the left Feinstien's make idiot proposals, they get called on it by other democrat representatives.
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Starship, I don't doubt that many of "Republicans" are willing to talk sane plans. That they don't want to arm every man, woman, and child. But the fact is, that's not being represented by elected officials. And when the views of supposed "republicans" aren't being represented by the republican party, they have no business calling themselves Republicans until they are. What they need to do is vote for candidates that represent their views, give support to the candidates that represent their views (democrat or republican), and not support the people shouting stupid ideas, no matter their party affiliation.
I suspect many self-declared republicans are starting to realize the party they identify with has utterly abandoned them as this point.
edited 3rd Apr '13 2:50:55 PM by DrTentacles
Yeah, can't say I've heard that one. I have heard a lot of "You want to consider gun restrictions at all? You're a tree-hugging pinko commie facist shill for the Antichrist Obama and his One World Government!" (I may have exaggerated a bit, but at least I left out the ethnic and religious slurs).
I acknowledge that lots of Republicans have behaved badly here. But guys, your response to my criticism of a Democrat shouldn't just be a knee-jerk "But Republicans are worse." That may be true, but it's not the sign of an independent mind, and it's not actually a response to the content of my post.
edited 3rd Apr '13 2:50:33 PM by Ultrayellow
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.![]()
Except that is Valid. Yes, democrats can be bad. However, the way our political system goes, you have to vote for the party that is "Less Bad" until the party that is "More bad" loses often enough that they realize that they need to adopt some of the policies of the less-bad party.
edited 3rd Apr '13 2:52:44 PM by DrTentacles
Texas Governor Rick Perry: Border security key in Texas DA murders
edited 3rd Apr '13 2:59:31 PM by DeviantBraeburn
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016Ultrayellow: First of all, saying "for political gain" is like saying "using it because it's a thing that happened and helps to illustrate my point and here's why". Particularly in this context. Politicians on both sides do it, because using real life events is actually quite sensible for anyone to do. Whether they do it well or wisely is another matter entirely. And the Republicans are using that same slaughter to suggest we should arm school employees. Which is demonstrably stupid to anyone who can think through possible consequences. So no, I'm not going to castigate someone for using a real life event to draw a conclusion or draft legislation. I'm going to castigate them for drafting stupid legislation and using their influence to make sure no discussion about the issue happens.
Regarding Rick Perry: Not surprising that he's doing that. Nevermind that's not where the actual legal officials have been going with the evidence, he's got to throw his two cents in all uninformed about the case.
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Well, you see, they got their guns from Mexico, which were originally bought in the US... If the borders were more secure, they'd have stopped the DA from being murdered. Twice.
edited 3rd Apr '13 3:21:45 PM by Swish
@Ace: Re-read the page on Godwin's Law.
This is the exact same thing. Would you defend his use of a Nazi comparison?
Example: You know who else used a lot of guns? NAZIS. Ban all the guns!
edited 3rd Apr '13 3:22:01 PM by Ultrayellow
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

@Carney: That's just using Newtown for political gain. He should be ashamed. It doesn't make a bit of difference whether the Republicans filibuster. It'll never pass the House anyway. And to suggest otherwise, to use the slaughter of children as a political weapon against your opponents? That man doesn't deserve to direct traffic, much less speak for the president.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.