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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#51901: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:14:00 AM

So true! [lol]

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#51902: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:22:29 AM

I think that we've demonstrated, at least here, that we're only too happy to call out the so-called "liberal media" on its shenanigans. In practice, you don't have liberal and conservative mainstream media so much as you have arch-conservative (Fox News) versus determinedly centrist (CNN) and mostly centrist but liberal-leaning (MSNBC).

In fact, the news media in general suffers from a number of serious flaws, political leanings being only one.

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#51903: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:25:09 AM

'Teer, if I'm discussing the ignorance of the general public, you can safely automatically assume OTC is not in that mix.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#51904: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:26:08 AM

THE UNTHINKABLE HAS HAPPENED!!!!!

Bill O'Reilly supports same sex marriage (well civil unions but still....)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/26/bill-oreilly-says-same-sex-marriage-foes-are-just-a-bunch-of-bible-thumpers/

O_O

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#51905: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:28:33 AM

O'Reilly pains me. He acts like a blunt but intellectually honest jerkoff who speaks hard truths, when he's actually just a regular old jerkoff.

Relevant:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/03/bill-oreilly-gay-marriage-evolution-timeline.html

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#51906: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:30:56 AM

What the....................

Did reality just Jump the Shark???

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51907: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:34:04 AM

Generally, I suspec tto a large degree O'reilly is a decently intelligent, college educated man who says a lot of what he says because he sells huimself to the fox news public as intellectually honest but blunt.

I suspect in private he knows full well he's spewing bullshit half the time.

This is just a case of him recognizing when the tide is shifting and getting his ass onto the likely to win side before everything goes to hell.

edited 27th Mar '13 9:35:12 AM by Midgetsnowman

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#51908: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:34:42 AM

This is just a case of him recognizing when the tide is shifting and getting his ass onto the likely to win side before everything goes to hell.

If O'Reilly's stance is the result of him being on the side of equality all along and simply hiding it under being a Tea Party shill, I can respect that. Or at least as much as I can respect a shill.

If this is just a case of him betraying his principles in order to be deemed acceptable by the new order than I can say the 2.4 ounces of resepct I had for him just vaporized.

edited 27th Mar '13 9:38:16 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51909: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:36:59 AM

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Because despite all the bullshit he says, if he truly believed half the shit he says, he wouldnt have such a cordial back and forth series of debates with people like Jon Stweart?

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#51910: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:38:41 AM

[up] Good point.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#51911: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:40:53 AM

Because his behavior fits in with a lot of reporters and anchors who have worked at FOX, who have said, once out of the company, that they were forced to rewrite articles and speak news/arguments they knew were complete and utter tripe bullshit Roger Ailes and friends want propagandized.

Sic: Smart man, this is one of the few places he could probably get work, they pay a very cushy paycheck and he has the likely chance of being completely blacklisted and discredited should he ever leave for a job hat fits positions he more likely believes in.

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#51912: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:43:40 AM

Because his behavior fits in with a lot of reporters and anchors who have worked at FOX, who have said, once out of the company, that they were forced to rewrite articles and speak news/arguments they knew were complete and utter tripe bullshit Roger Ailes and friends want propagandized.

Please tell me this is a joke.....

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51914: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:49:43 AM

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I'd imagine not. Ailes has made it very obvious Fox isnt so much a news channel as it is a way to sell their own line of "facts" to republicans.

And it works because people like being told their view of the world is correct.

In short, my guess is that O'Reilly is telling the truth. he never actually gave two shits about "the sanctity of marriage" but its only now politically viable for him to say so because his superiors see the writing on the wall and any further spinning on the sancity of marriage is now deemed politically damaging.

edited 27th Mar '13 9:52:06 AM by Midgetsnowman

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#51916: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:52:03 AM

(head-desk) Dammit, conservatives wound me. Everytime I think I've got a reason to return to conservative-ville, their stupidity and duplicitous cowardice slams the door shut.

Yeah, looks like I'm stuck in liberal-land for the time being.

edited 27th Mar '13 9:52:15 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51917: Mar 27th 2013 at 9:59:53 AM

In fact, Maxima. to give you an idea how propagandized Fox news is, you need only look to something Jon Stewart pointed out once.

Gretchen Carlson, Fox News anchor and former STANFORD GRADUATE (graduated Cum Laude and even studied abroad in oxford, for chrissake). Claimed on air she had to google the words czar and ignoramus because she had no idea what words that big meant.

What the hell do you think are the chances someone who graduated from Stanford with Cum Laude honors has NO IDEA what the words Czar and ignoramus are? Especially compared to the chances she was told to act like a dumb pretty blonde to attract viewers by being non-threatening and "normal"

edited 27th Mar '13 10:00:31 AM by Midgetsnowman

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#51918: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:00:46 AM

Liberal land isn't so bad. We got pretty nice cookies, hippies can be cool, our liberal arts degrees assure we can live the life of a poor college student forever, (J.K. its just an easy joke I know that it isn't what a liberal arts degree is) of course you might miss the communion wafers, and the hunting, and occasionally you'll have to deal with hipsters, but eh you tradeoff things.

Is this the place to talk about gun laws? The other thread looks like it pretty much dedicated to which guns are better.

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#51919: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:01:14 AM

[up][up]In fairness, that's almost universal in media: that highly educated women are forced to play dumb on the air. Fox News does take it a step above the rest, though.

edited 27th Mar '13 10:01:32 AM by Fighteer

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#51920: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:03:11 AM

@Midget - I didn't go to an Ivy League and I sure as fuck know what an ignoramus and czar are. Unbelievable.

@Card - Well to be fair hippie chicks are pretty hot, although I'm gonna miss the Blonde Republican Sex Kitten s. And the LGBTQ folks make better drinking buddies anyway.

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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#51921: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:06:06 AM

Well that is true. But you can find hot blondes and redheads here too.smile So your not gonna miss the wafers?tongue I liked those things.

edited 27th Mar '13 10:09:46 AM by Wildcard

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51922: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:07:27 AM

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Its not even the Ivy league that made it crazy. Its that Cum Laude implies you not only graduated, but hit certain benchmarks of sheer academic excellence.

edited 27th Mar '13 10:07:36 AM by Midgetsnowman

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#51923: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:10:38 AM

@Card - Well yes, but then I mention I'm pro-life, pro-enforced borders, pro-traditional marriage, and even if they still manage to speak to me past that point, they completely lose it when I say I don't find new Doctor Who all that great. [lol]

Life can be lonely for a Rockefeller Republican in Liberaland. [lol]

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Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#51924: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:10:39 AM

@Midgetsnowman: Yeah I kinda find it hard to believe you would just forget it if you graduated from Ivy League. I know what those words meant back in High School.

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#51925: Mar 27th 2013 at 10:14:31 AM

Cum Laude

-chuckles-

Okay I'm sorry, it's not appro -

-chuckles even more-

Okay I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at a woman who got a Cum Laude.

...

I'm done now. Sorry.


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