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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51551: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:30:36 PM

Explain how there's a good precedent before calling me insane, paranoid or ignorant, otherwise you'll look like you're operating under character assassination.

edited 19th Mar '13 5:33:27 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51552: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:33:19 PM

We kill soldiers in wars. We killed people who took arms against our country in the Civil War. We kill people like the Sandy Hook shooter. If someone is planning violent harm to our country/people, and we can't safely arrest them, we are well within our laws and rights to kill them.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51553: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:33:51 PM

And what if it's used on suspects who turn out to be innocent? A lack of trial won't ever determine that.

edited 19th Mar '13 5:34:12 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51554: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:37:11 PM

Well, we need more accountability for the CIA. As much as possible, with the restriction that the transparency shouldn't jeopardize security.

Intelligence failures happen. We should try to get them to happen less. However, they don't happen as often as you think they do.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51556: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:39:14 PM

Article 10, subsection a, subsection b, of the NDAA states that American citizens can be arrested and imprisoned without trial or due process. When Feinstein and Lee tried to amend that, it was removed by the Senate.

edited 19th Mar '13 5:43:01 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51557: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:41:36 PM

Yeah. I'm less than satisfied with the senate, of late.

The only thing worse is the House.

edited 19th Mar '13 5:41:56 PM by DrTentacles

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#51558: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:44:40 PM

Serocco, lets just assume that you can get Obama impeached over something. And Then What??

I'm seriously interested in what you assume would happen long-term after it?

edited 19th Mar '13 5:45:17 PM by 3of4

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#51559: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:48:01 PM

It'll become the Joe Biden pary hour! Yee haw!

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51560: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:51:21 PM

Wonder if Biden would suddenly become all centrist in office. Because honestly, I do enjoy the way he's been Obama's big stick (no comments) against the Republicans.

I wish Obama would be more aggressive himself, however.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51561: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:55:58 PM

You can't run for office if you're not able to raise at least 2,000 dollars each day - if you're in the House. Senators raise 14,000 on average every day. Politicians quite literally spend most of their time fundraising, which is why they're so BLEH half the time on topics.

Apart from selling yourselves out to corporate interests, or being born with that kinda money, none of us can run for office. The voting system is made to the point where we're forced to pick the lesser of the evils. What am I supposed to to? Wolf-Pac.com?

edited 19th Mar '13 5:56:38 PM by Serocco

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#51562: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:57:37 PM

[up] I may be a bit distrusting but I do think you are deflecting, so if you could answer my question?

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51563: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:58:25 PM

[up][up] I'm glad you realize that.

Hopefully that means you realize that we take what we can get. In this case, Obama. He's not perfect, but he's the best we've had in a while.

edited 19th Mar '13 5:58:55 PM by DrTentacles

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51564: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:02:02 PM

Clinton was the best we had for a while too, and I can't get passed what he did to Al-Shifa.

[up][up] It won't do anything if we only remove Obama. It has to be a systematic thing. Like, a complete demolishing (metaphorically) of the current system is the only real way to change it, since money is God to everybody with authority.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:03:15 PM by Serocco

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#51565: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:04:00 PM

Al-Shifa wasn't his fault. He made the best judgement call he could on the information he had. He's not a biochemist. He had to trust that the intelligence people knew what they were talking about. They didn't, but that doesn't mean Clinton did the wrong thing.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51566: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:04:31 PM

He still ordered the strike that indirectly lead to thousands dying from diseases that could not be countered. No apology has ever been issued over it.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:04:51 PM by Serocco

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#51567: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:04:49 PM

Do you feel Obama should be impeached for violating Article 1, Section 8, where Congress alone has the power to declare war?

Not really.

Let's face the facts by this standard Truman (Korea), Johnson (Vietnam), Reagan (Grenada), George H. W. Bush (Panama & Iraq), Clinton (Yugoslavia, but this one is debatable) and George W. Bush (Afghanistan & Iraq) should have all been impeached.

For better or worse, America no longer goes to war. Now we participate in "police action"

BTW today is the 10th Anniversary of the start of the Iraq War Police Action.

Former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld's Iraq war tweet sparks support and backlash

Gawker posts George W. Bush's private email address

Colin Powell's Facebook page hijacked, filled with anti-Bush sentiment

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reaffirms Iraq War support on eve of 10th anniversary

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel released a statement today honoring the sacrifices made by service members, their families and the Iraqi people.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:11:55 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#51568: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:05:24 PM

[up][up][up][up] So why bother wishing you could impeach him?

Best case business as usual, worst case President by the grace of God Rick Santorum.

If you know it won't do anything it comes across not any better than your average uninformed Tea Party wackjob.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:07:05 PM by 3of4

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51569: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:06:31 PM

Because I wanted to see how many people will rally to his defense by bringing that up. Trying to call out hypocrisies. How many times have people supported Obama when they opposed Bush over the same thing?

Speaking of Rick, I find it funny how Santorum is very close to "sanatorium", a type of church. waii

edited 19th Mar '13 6:10:16 PM by Serocco

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
Unchanging Avatar.
#51570: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:08:55 PM

It is embarrassing how abruptly many liberals ended their criticism of U.S. policy when Obama was elected.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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Lost in Space
#51571: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:10:55 PM

Serocco has accumulated his final strike for being a Single-Issue Wonk in this thread and for picking fights via PM. He will not be participating in OTC any longer.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#51572: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:11:41 PM

Edit: Self cut, to avoid the wrath of Fighteer.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:12:08 PM by 3of4

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Lost in Space
#51573: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:12:08 PM

[up][up][up] It's interesting how that particular bit of hypocrisy works both ways. But not everyone does it.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:12:34 PM by Fighteer

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#51574: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:12:19 PM

[up][up][up]

That seems a tad harsh.

House Republicans grilled the Obama administration’s top immigration official on Tuesday for releasing more than 2,000 illegal immigrants from detention facilities.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:17:50 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#51575: Mar 19th 2013 at 6:12:58 PM

Serocco seemed to calm down before that banning, however, Fighteer. I think you overstepped your bounds by removing his ability to PM without giving him a chance to apologize. Banning him from this thread was enough if you ask me.

edited 19th Mar '13 6:22:12 PM by Sledgesaul


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