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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51526: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:24:53 PM

How does impeaching Obama solve anything? We'd just have Biden as president and I doubt he'd do anything different from Obama. Impeachment is not a way of removing politicians that do things you don't like.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#51527: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:26:47 PM

[up] That would be hilarious though. In a terrifying sort of way.

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51528: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:27:59 PM

I'm not saying we should impeach Obama. I'd like to, but I know I can't, so I just brought that up because I felt that it was a fair topic to discuss.

edited 19th Mar '13 4:34:06 PM by Serocco

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#51529: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:34:05 PM

That's irrational. Not one person here has said he should be immune to impeachment because he's a Democrat. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. You'd like to impeach him... for what?

edited 19th Mar '13 4:34:20 PM by Fighteer

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51530: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:34:23 PM

I'm not saying we should impeach Obama. I'd like to,

The difference is?

You seem to have an utter ignorance of the realities of politics.

He's the best person we could have gotten elected.

edited 19th Mar '13 4:34:51 PM by DrTentacles

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51531: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:37:35 PM

No, I'd say the best person that we might've elected was Rocky Anderson. It's more appropriate to say that Obama was the best politician that we got, but he's almost entirely identical to Bush in terms of overall policy. Hence why I'd like for someone to impeach him over, say, the torture by proxy, or the extrajudicial killings, or the protection of those who committed large-scale fraudulence.

edited 19th Mar '13 4:40:17 PM by Serocco

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51532: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:38:36 PM

[up][up][up]

Tough titties? I'd like John Beohner and all the Tea Party permanently thrown out of even being near congress. But guess what? I dont get to decide that.

[up]

Hint: if the republican party hasnt tried to impeach him , its because they know none of those things you're referring to have enough evidence to stand trial.

edited 19th Mar '13 4:39:41 PM by Midgetsnowman

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#51533: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:41:47 PM

[up][up] Ah, so "disagrees with my political opinions" = "grounds for impeachment". I'm awfully glad you aren't in Congress, Serocco.

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#51534: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:45:17 PM

Here's a big issue for you all to discuss instead of impeachment city: Supreme Court rules that first sale doctrine extends to international sales. The implications (especially for published fiction) are...staggering.

edited 19th Mar '13 4:45:45 PM by TotemicHero

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51535: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:50:18 PM

I was going to respond to the stuff about Obama, but I'll push that aside and quote from the passage itself.

On a vote of 6-3, the Supreme Court decreed that "foreign buyers of textbooks, movies and other products a right to resell them in the United States without the permission of the copyright owner."

edited 19th Mar '13 4:53:21 PM by Serocco

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Lost in Space
#51536: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:50:29 PM

It sounds rather obvious, if you think about it. I can see all kinds of consequences, but it strikes me as a very straightforward principle.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51537: Mar 19th 2013 at 4:51:21 PM

[up][up]

...and?

I agree with that. otherwise it pretty much locks down that corporate publishers can pretty much destroy the used book market if they feel like pushing it.

edited 19th Mar '13 4:51:31 PM by Midgetsnowman

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51538: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:09:11 PM

If they're reselling shit with impunity from copyright owners, what's the point of copyright in that case?

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RTaco Since: Jul, 2009
#51539: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:12:15 PM

Because they have to buy it from the original creators first. They can't make their own copies.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51540: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:12:56 PM

Oh, I see. They gotta buy it first. Still a bit pointless to resell it without permission, if we're going strictly by copyright.

edited 19th Mar '13 5:14:28 PM by Serocco

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Lost in Space
#51541: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:13:53 PM

They don't need permission to resell things. That's the doctrine of First Sale, and publishers were raising a stink because people were reselling stuff they bought overseas for lower prices.

It's bog standard legal precedent; it's the publishers who were trying to get special privileges.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51542: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:16:27 PM

So how does this affect things?

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#51543: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:18:33 PM

I'm not sure what you main, Serocco. The First Sale doctrine says that once you legally buy a copy of a copyrighted work, you can then sell it to anyone you want without the approval of or payment to the copyright holder. This is well-established law; the only thing that's changed is that SCOTUS says that it applies even if the first sale happened outside the US–but a first sale is still happening, so it's not like the copyright owners are getting ripped off.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#51544: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:18:47 PM

It means that nothing changes and publishers don't get any new special privileges that they believe are their due.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#51545: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:19:18 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Its looking more and more likely that the Syrian government has deployed chemical weapons against the rebels. Given that this was one of Obama's supposed "red-lines" I'm not sure how this is going to develop in Washington. They are promising a response but what form will that take? More aid? Sanctions? Probably not indirect military aid and almost certainly not physical intervention.

edited 19th Mar '13 5:21:35 PM by Rationalinsanity

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Lost in Space
#51546: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:19:51 PM

[up][up][up] Well, technically they are ripping themselves off. If they sell a book in the U.S. for $20, but sell the same exact work in India for $2, they have only themselves to blame if someone buys it in India and then resells it in the U.S. for $10.

Edit: I wonder if regional DVD encoding is next...

edited 19th Mar '13 5:20:58 PM by Fighteer

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51547: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:21:38 PM

Oh, I see. Not that much of a change, in that case.

[up][up] China and Russia have made it so that America can't intervene directly.

Fighteer: "Ah, so disagrees with my political opinions = grounds for impeachment." Just a quick tidbit. Extrajudicial killings is outside the jurisdiction of the law. What, you believe operating outside the law isn't grounds for impeachment?

edited 19th Mar '13 5:22:49 PM by Serocco

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51548: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:24:23 PM

Actually, as per NDAA, they aren't.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#51549: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:26:21 PM

Simply because Congress and the White House authorized it? Even though the Fifth Amendment (right to due process) remains as the law?

edited 19th Mar '13 5:29:59 PM by Serocco

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51550: Mar 19th 2013 at 5:29:53 PM

Yes. That's what a law is.

Furthermore, there's good precedent.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it.

I'm saying you're being hysterical, showing a poor knowledge of government, politics, legal systems, and reality, and are an incredible single-issue wonk. Can you post about anything other than what a terrible robosexual monster obama is?


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