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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
They could do some of them.
A states' rights position on gay marriage, for instance, would make groups like GOProud and the Log Cabin Republicans a lot more successful. And being less explicitly pro-rich and explicitly racist would allow them to pull in a lot more voters.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.The thing is. I dont think they actually realize how racist they are. It simply doesnt process in their brains that saying the sort of things they do about blacks and latinos and asians are actually racist.
I've seen people in my hometown say such ridiculous shit as talk down how latinos live in my town as though the only reason they live 5-10 to one house is somne sort of secret profit-sharing scheme and not seeming to realize at all Mexicans tend to live communally as a family unit.
Its not some secret scheme to get a big screen TV you cant afford, its because brothers, sisters, grandma, and even cousins tend to live either next door to or in the same house together and pool money because thats how its simply /done/ in mexican society.
edited 18th Mar '13 4:34:35 PM by Midgetsnowman
They can't be less explicitly pro-rich because the rich people who want them to be pay a majority of their campaign funding, and they can't be less racist because a quarter of the country will ditch them for a third party willing to be explicitly racist if they start doing real outreach to "those people".
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.They can so. Easily.
There's a difference between being pro-rich and being explicitly pro-rich, for one thing. Say "we won't raise taxes on anyone, taxing businesses hurts the economy," not "the rich got where they are through hard work and we should reward that, corporations are people." Easy.
And I don't think America is as racist as you think. I just don't believe that we'd see another Dixiecrat splinter if Republican leadership started cracking down on statement about lazy blacks.
edited 18th Mar '13 4:35:40 PM by Ultrayellow
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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speaking as someone who's father hails from mexico city? Its both not as racist as you think and yet moreso. Explicit racism isnt as bad, albeit more loud than its been in a while.
Implicit, people not even thinking about how patronizing and cruel theyre being racism? Its there in spades. And its goddamn everywhere.
Just look at how the republican party does it. Their attempts to bring in latinos so far is to plaster the same usual talking points about the lazy poor into the mouth of a Cuban in the hopes this will somehow woo us.
edited 18th Mar '13 4:37:55 PM by Midgetsnowman
@Achaemenid: Yeah, aggressive atheism is a secularist position. If you really want to purge religious influence from your politics, then either placing heavy restrictions on religion or banning it outright is one way to go.
Calling the Soviet Union a "scientific" state, of course, is pure propaganda.
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Aggressive antireligious atheism is not secular if your idea of secular is a government that is religion-independent. A truly secular government in that sense does not care about any religious position in one way or another; it is a non-element. Naturally, this is the definition of secular that makes the most sense.
edited 18th Mar '13 4:56:06 PM by RadicalTaoist
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.@Radical Taoist: The definition of secularism I was using is as follows: "A position that religious belief should not influence public and governmental decisions.
" For example, Turkish government is intentionally secular; to that end, it has a consistent, constitutional policy of stepping on Islamist movements that try to get into politics (the current Islamic party is highly watered down, and the military's been watching it very carefully).
This is different from "religion-independent."
edited 18th Mar '13 5:05:19 PM by Ramidel
Political terms and hard definitions in general are not always on speaking terms, y'know. 's why I clarified the definition I was working from. If you insist that a secularist state means religion-independence, rather than "religion is not involved in politics," then no, the Soviet Union wasn't secularist.
Rebecca Blank, Acting Commerce Secretary, Leaving Obama Administration
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Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016I've actually come to like Biden. He's kind of the Big Friendly Dog of the Obama administration; he runs his mouth a lot, but it's nearly always harmless, and every now and then he says something insightful that everyone else has been avoiding.
How to keep doing exactly what theyre already doing and force the rest of america to see how right they are.
Not to mention theyre stilkl utterly convinced that when republicans are identifiable as "not liberal" they win. In short. Theyre convinced america is 100% conservative and anyone who isnt coinservative is an enemy of the nation.
edited 18th Mar '13 6:21:44 PM by Midgetsnowman

of course. I still find it hilarious that a talk on racial "tolerance" at CPAC was named "trumping the race card" as though race was nothing more than a way for mean libruls to shut down good god fearing white people from talking.