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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#51376: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:04:25 AM

[up][up] This is Bachmann dear troper,did you expect logic for too long?

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#51377: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:13:55 AM

[up][up] We need to find a cure for Alzheimer's, therefore less taxes!

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51378: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:15:55 AM

[up]And regulations.

[up][up]No but I would have liked it if she finished a thought before going nuts.

[up][up][up]The fact that she blames taxes and regulations for us not having a cure?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#51379: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:19:17 AM

The "regulation" bit might have a point as pharmacological research is very slowed down at times - but even so, I'd like not to become a zombie from Alzheimer meds, and the tax claim is indefensible anyway.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51380: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:23:40 AM

Based on the context I'd assume the regulation bit refers to things that make sure the meds don't kill you or give you a worse problem. I'd rather not play Russian roulette with medicine and if I have to pay a higher cost for that then so be it.

Coulter you are a toad. Calling any living president a rapist is way over the line and should get you crucified although I know it won't happen. I also object to her use of the word "forcible." There is no such thing. Rape is rape.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#51381: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:24:20 AM

"Let's lower taxes, thus have less money available for alzheimer's research." That's what it sounds like to me.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#51382: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:29:29 AM

...Well, I had to do a double take when she said "forcible rapist Bill Clinton". Since when is having an affair "forcible rape"?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51383: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:31:50 AM

[up][up]Pretty much. She probably wants a private company to invent the drug but then they can charge outrageous prices for it.

[up]It's not, she just wants to take a cheap shot at him.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#51384: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:31:57 AM

If you want to get rid of regulations that obstruct medical advances, there's a huge line of research that has been banned for a long time in different parts of the US: stem cell research.

Get rid of the regulations obstructing stem cell research if you want to see rapid advances in medicine.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#51385: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:33:13 AM

Embryonic stem cell research, and it isn't the only one.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#51386: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:34:28 AM

...Also, I had to look up what she meant by Ted Kennedy having the "only confirmed kill" in the war on women... and wasn't that an accident? And all he did wrong was running away from the crime scene without reporting it after the woman died which was something he later plead guilty to and served jailtime for?

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#51387: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:34:48 AM

@Kostya

She also managed to be sexist as well, saying that Sandra Fluke's hairstyle "is birth control enough". Well, if she can judge Sandra Fluke for her looks, I can: Coulter looks like the rotting, desiccated corpse of Britney Spears mid-drug binge.

Coulter is just being Coulter - a polemicist who needs to make noise in order to be heard. She isn't a bad writer, she just chooses to write evil things, and the more we give her attention, the less annoying she'll be. Hell, even I'm guilty of posting a Coulter link (a couple of pages ago) and saying how much it annoy me. And now I'm commenting on yours, the whole thing is just an endless cycle.

Thus, I propose: whenever someone posts a link about Ann Coulter on this thread, we respond with STARVE THE BEAST and nothing else.

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Yes, though one could argue that it should have ended his career. I personally expect a higher standard than that in public servants. Still, it is a persistent allegation that Ted Kennedy basically said "screw this I'm outta here" and left his passenger to die.

edited 17th Mar '13 8:37:32 AM by Achaemenid

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51388: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:36:42 AM

Ann Coulter is kind of like Fred Phelps. Except uglier.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#51389: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:36:55 AM

I have another solution: We feed the beast and watch as she grows more and more insane in what she says until no one can deny it and her positions loose credibility.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51390: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:39:38 AM

Best of: Guess what Ann Coulter opposes.

Achaemenid: Just because we ignore her it doesn't mean she'll stop influencing politics. We might as well continue to expose her idiocy so people eventually stop listening to her.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#51391: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:45:59 AM

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You can't "expose" vitriol like that. Saying "Sandra Fluke is ugly" or "Ted Kennedy is a murderer" isn't a political point, it's just hatred. And it deserves no more time than Fred Phelps, Udo Voight, or Nick Griffin.

edited 17th Mar '13 8:46:10 AM by Achaemenid

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51392: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:50:46 AM

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if you hadnt noticed. All the republican party really has to offer anymore is hatred at best thinly veiled as "policy"

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#51393: Mar 17th 2013 at 8:57:39 AM

Coulter is a troll. Don't pay any heed to her.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#51394: Mar 17th 2013 at 9:06:15 AM

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Untrue. Their immigration reform plan, their economic policy etc. They might be wrong, but they aren't hatred. Being pro-life or anti-contraception doesn't make a person necessarily evil - those are valid policy objectives that deserve to be examined and engaged with. Saying, "I think we should have less immigration because the economy can't take it" is not (necessarily) vitriol. Saying "lol, Sandra Fluke's ugly ROFLMAO" does not deserve to be engaged with. As much as they may peddle hatred, they still convinced 61 million Americans to vote for them in the last election - dismissing their policy as "hatred thinly-veiled as policy" is to ignore why so many Americans hold the same values, or values similar enough that they would back them.

EDIT: The Steubenville football players have been found delinquent of sexual assault.

A judge announced on Sunday that the defendants in the Steubenville rape trial were found guilty.

Trent Mays and Ma'lik Richmond had been accused of sexually assaulting a female acquaintance while she was severely intoxicated. Video and photo footage from the night of the incident spread across the internet soon after, drawing national attention to the case.

Mays and Richmond, both football players at Steubenville High School, received delinquent verdicts on all three charges. Delinquent is the guilty equivalent for juveniles. They were both convicted of digitally penetrating the West Virginia girl, and Mays was also found guilty of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. The boys will serve their sentence at a juvenile detention facility until they turn 21.

edited 17th Mar '13 9:14:02 AM by Achaemenid

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#51395: Mar 17th 2013 at 9:21:48 AM

Embryonic stem cell research, and it isn't the only one.

My point was that if you're going to argue (as Bachmann did just now) that unnecessary regulations are obstructing important medical research you should make sure that you're not supporting such obstructionism yourself, as most of the Republican party has been doing in the past decades.

I made my point with one example; I didn't mean to imply that it was the whole problem.

edited 17th Mar '13 9:21:57 AM by BestOf

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#51396: Mar 17th 2013 at 9:23:53 AM

Pointing out hypocrisy in politicians seems about as pointed to me as pointing out clouds in a stormy sky.

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#51397: Mar 17th 2013 at 9:27:33 AM

[up][up][up] And justice prevails, of a sort. They should be serving as adults for rape, IMO, and it was a lot more than just two people involved. But it's the best verdict we can hope for under the circumstances.

It is true that not all of the Republican Party's platform positions are based on hate. Some are based on fundamentalist Christian values, some are based on the genuine belief that rich people are better than everyone else, some are based on a lack of understanding and/or empathy for anything that isn't part of their idealized vision of America, and some are based on inbred thinking patterns that are impervious to anything outside of their information bubble.

I'm sure there are one or two good ideas left over once you take all that out. Maybe.

edited 17th Mar '13 9:27:43 AM by Fighteer

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#51398: Mar 17th 2013 at 9:36:42 AM

[up]

My point was not that we should vote Republican, it was that the Republican party and voting base cannot simply be dismissed as "hatred". Those positions can be engaged with, whilst dismissing them serves nobody.

They should be serving as adults for rape

I'm a bit iffy on that point. Treating children the same way as adults is rarely a good idea when it comes to crime and punishment, especially in a prison system like the USA's. They will be transferred, I gather, to an adult prison when they turn 21. I agree that more people should be punished, but, ultimately, the private nature of rape means that evidence simply can't be gathered. That can and should be alleviated, with evidentiary rules that make it easier on the victim, but by the same token they can't be relaxed too much or miscarriage of justice may well follow.

edited 17th Mar '13 9:39:16 AM by Achaemenid

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HGW XX/7
#51400: Mar 17th 2013 at 10:19:32 AM

[up]

How do they figure that PR's statehood referendum was rigged? And what's happening about that anyway?

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