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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#51326: Mar 16th 2013 at 1:39:42 PM

I wonder if we should sent that tax thingo to Politifact.

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#51327: Mar 16th 2013 at 1:41:24 PM

I wish it was true.

Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#51329: Mar 16th 2013 at 2:48:48 PM

It's depressing that Newt Gingrich, by comparison to the rest of his party, has become the consistently intelligent voice of reason.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51330: Mar 16th 2013 at 2:54:21 PM

The Republicans really are self destructing aren't they? I just can't believe the number of fights that are breaking out between the various members.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51331: Mar 16th 2013 at 2:55:50 PM

Thats because Gingrich is at worst, only semi-delusional about his own impirtance but not stupid enough to join the Tea party cult.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#51332: Mar 16th 2013 at 2:57:18 PM

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Bear in mind that back in 2004-05 people were talking about the "shattered remains of the Democrats". Look what happened there. There is no room for complacency.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#51333: Mar 16th 2013 at 2:57:37 PM

@Ultrayellow I say good for him.

edited 16th Mar '13 2:58:27 PM by Trivialis

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#51335: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:07:20 PM

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yes. but the dems reorganized and reinvented their entire message and how they went about campaigning (see Barack Obama). The question is whether the republicans will recognize that or not. SO far not seems to be the answer winning.

Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#51336: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:12:26 PM

What they're doing is fighting over which direction the party goes in. Virtually all of them plan to change the party in some way. The question is how. There are a variety of key players (Paul, Rubio, Ryan, Bush, Christie, Santorum, Gingrich, Boehnor, Walker, Jindal, Brownback) with different ideas for reform directions. The question is who gets the party nod in 2016 and wins the battle to lead reform.

edited 16th Mar '13 3:13:04 PM by Ultrayellow

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#51337: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:13:41 PM

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Of those, Christie and Bush are probably the most likely to be any use to the Repubs. If Huntsman could claw his way back in, but his name is mud with half the nutcases that form the party now.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#51338: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:16:21 PM

I agree. And I'd much rather see Christie or Bush Republicans than any of the others.

But to some degree, what we have to do is not figure out who we as Democrats (which, let's face it, most of the people on the thread are) would prefer, but rather figure out who's the likeliest to win.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#51339: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:17:15 PM

It will have to happen eventually. Democrats can't win forever, as we saw with Eisenhower's victory. One mistake by a government that just "happened to be Democrat" and the other party will make gains. The question is whether calling out that mistake on Democrats was justified.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#51340: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:21:42 PM

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In a democracy, calling out the government's mistakes, regardless of motivation, is never unjustified.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#51341: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:27:20 PM

I mean, were Democrats really going in a wrong direction at a given time, justifying Republican presidency as a good thing? Or did "a Democrat" slip up?

Presidents like Eisenhower, Reagan and Roosevelt got in power because the other party's current president was fumbling.

That's why Democrats should be careful and prepare well for the eventual future when they hold a minority position in a given office.

edited 16th Mar '13 3:28:46 PM by Trivialis

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#51342: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:29:34 PM

yes. but the dems reorganized and reinvented their entire message and how they went about campaigning (see Barack Obama).

Obama wasn't really a reinvention so much as a new wrapper with another winning smile. After Bush they didn't really need anything else.

I mean FFS that entire election campaign was a circus of "hey gaiz I'm not Bush also HOPE".

edited 16th Mar '13 3:30:34 PM by Pykrete

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#51343: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:31:50 PM

Senator Rand Paul wins CPAC straw poll, just ahead of Marco Rubio. Ted Cruz runs 7th.

Here's who he beat.

Now before you put much weight into this, remember that Jack Kemp won this straw poll like 4 times.

edited 16th Mar '13 3:34:08 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#51344: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:34:30 PM

Truman was a man of integrity, but no FDR, either in terms of political acumen or leadership. Eisenhower's victory was much like Clinton's or Obama's. The Democrats didn't exactly make a mistake (although firing MacArthur was stupid) but they did grow complacent.

@Pykrete: Not entirely true. Obama Democrats are much farther to the left on social issues than Clinton Democrats, as well as being less interested in economics.

Edit: I'm unsure if CPAC victory is an asset or a liability...

edited 16th Mar '13 3:38:43 PM by Ultrayellow

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#51345: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:37:07 PM

I don't actually mind Rand Paul, or, at least, of those that were there, it could have been worse. He's still awful, but less than most.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#51346: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:38:11 PM

Left and right aren't the same as liberal and conservative. Left and right are always the same, as are authoritarian and libertarian, but conservative and liberal always change as what is forward looking one year is staying the same in the future, and looking to the past further in the future.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#51347: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:39:13 PM

Ann Coulter opens hole in face, unpleasant sounds come out.

Ann Coulter spoke at the 2013 Conservative Political Action Conference on Saturday, firing off an insult about New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's snub from the annual conference.

"Even CPAC had to cut back on its speakers this year about 300 pounds," Coulter said.

Christie wasn't he only target of Coulter's insults. She also criticized President Barack Obama and made eyebrow-raising remarks about Sandra Fluke's haircut while addressing birth control and the war on women.

"That haircut is birth control enough," Coulter said of Fluke.

Perhaps her most extreme criticism was directed at President Bill Clinton.

"The keynote speaker at the Democrat National Convention this year was forcible rapist, Bill Clinton," Coulter said.

Coulter also spoke on sequestration, adding her voice to those that have lamented the cancellation of White House tours because of budget cuts.

God, I really hate Ann Coulter.

EDIT: And, by the way Ann, if you ever read this, Sandra Fluke is prettier than you.

edited 16th Mar '13 3:40:00 PM by Achaemenid

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Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#51348: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:40:09 PM

For the purposes of the U.S. Politics thread, we should be using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" as they relate to U.S. Politics, even if that's historically or literally incorrect.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#51349: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:41:06 PM

Why are so many people upset about the White House tours?

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#51350: Mar 16th 2013 at 3:41:49 PM

Left and right aren't the same as liberal and conservative

Technically, deathpigeon, there needs to be three axis: Liberal, Conservative and Socialist.

edited 16th Mar '13 3:41:55 PM by Greenmantle

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