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#51126: Mar 14th 2013 at 6:55:44 AM

Mississippi did something I like? [tup][awesome]

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#51127: Mar 14th 2013 at 6:57:48 AM

They didn't actually do anything yet, it's just a bill, not a law. Also, it's irrelevant, because if they really wanted to pass a bill banning stuff, they would simply incorporate text to repeal the law banning them from banning stuff. I dunno about Inception; I never watched it, but it is definitely somewhat recursive.

I haven't read the particulars of the Mississippi bill, nor do I want to, but in general any law banning other laws that haven't even happened yet is roughly equivalent, from the standpoint of legal soundness, to declaring pink elephants illegal.

edited 14th Mar '13 6:59:36 AM by Fighteer

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#51128: Mar 14th 2013 at 7:21:39 AM

[up] It's the principle of the thing 'Teer. And personally, pink elephants should be illegal.

[down] [lol]

edited 14th Mar '13 7:32:01 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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#51130: Mar 14th 2013 at 8:22:15 AM

Why bother with sarcasm mode when politicians will agree with you? tongue

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#51131: Mar 14th 2013 at 8:33:53 AM

Mary Jo White. That is the nominee for the SEC, the head of overlooking the banks via prosecutions.

Will not prosecute the banks for fraud, but will prosecute everyone else. Of course.

edited 14th Mar '13 8:37:55 AM by Sledgesaul

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#51132: Mar 14th 2013 at 8:47:30 AM

[up][up] Truth really is stranger than fiction. I had to check to make sure that wasn't The Onion.

[up] So, what's the point of her again??

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#51133: Mar 14th 2013 at 8:50:15 AM

This is about Canadian banks, but the banking issues are pretty similar.

[down] Ok, thanks. tongue

I think I fixed it.

edited 14th Mar '13 8:56:02 AM by Zendervai

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#51134: Mar 14th 2013 at 8:51:18 AM

Delete the space and the "watch?v=".

The uploader has not made the video available in America.

edited 14th Mar '13 8:52:00 AM by deathpigeon

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#51135: Mar 14th 2013 at 8:52:47 AM

[up][up][up] That is the point. She was nominated solely to keep the banks safe.

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#51136: Mar 14th 2013 at 9:47:54 AM

Here is some hopeful news: this article (titled "Why Obama (And Any President) Fails To Meet Expectations") has been in the top-viewed political news section of NPR for two days now. Considering that it is just a news article and not a radio piece, that must mean it has been unusually popular and hopefully people will understand/remember its point.

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#51137: Mar 14th 2013 at 9:49:53 AM

I think the question is, what are the expectations that Presidents listen to? That of the people or their donors?

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#51138: Mar 14th 2013 at 11:40:01 AM

The new pope? Against poverty. Lives in a palace.

Riiiiiight.

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#51139: Mar 14th 2013 at 11:42:54 AM

[up]

I'm not sure what that has to do with American politics, but it may interest you to know that, when he was a cleric in Buenos Aires (ie, up until yesterday evening), he was famous for his austerity, eating in food kitchens for the poor, living in a very modest house, and using public transport for his official business.

There are some very good reasons to be wary of this new pope, but that particular hypocrisy is not one of them.

edited 14th Mar '13 11:45:45 AM by Achaemenid

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#51140: Mar 14th 2013 at 11:46:19 AM

In Buenos Aires he apparently didn't live in the doubtless opulent palace that was the residence of the Cardinal. He also refused the limousine that would have been provided for him. Instead, he used public transportation, lived in a small apartment and also cooked his own meals.

Wikipedia

[up]Ninja'd.

Granted, that he didn't live in a palace in Argentina doesn't mean that it's not silly for him to live in a palace in Rome while campaigning to get rid of poverty.

But this does seem quite off-topic.

edited 14th Mar '13 11:47:43 AM by BestOf

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#51141: Mar 14th 2013 at 11:59:49 AM

It's not just the television. Bloomberg also created his own "Super-PAC" with the intention of spreading his views by dumping money into the campaigns of those he feels are like-minded.

I'd think that the Mississippi law is trying to mute an "outside influence" in their local affairs. Bloomberg is, after all, going against wide public opinion with that particular law.

Then again, Mississippi and a lot of other states have more to worry about, and while it seems silly now, maybe it's right to cut out that argument before it ever comes up in their state.

edited 14th Mar '13 12:02:41 PM by DevilTakeMe

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#51142: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:01:20 PM

We should ask Mississippi if they plan to reject all outside interference in their affairs or just the interference they don't like. Because I'm sure all those transfer payments would be welcome in other states.

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#51143: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:03:14 PM

Its only outside interference when a liberal does it. Otherwise its a generous donation.

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#51144: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:05:46 PM

[up] It's called states' rights. It's so that they can determine what they want on their own, even if it means they don't take millions of dollars.

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#51145: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:08:17 PM

States' Rights, even as a doctrine, has its limits. Supremacy clause and all.

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#51146: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:12:07 PM

States' rights and supremacy are two doctrines that everyone loves when they help them and hate when they don't.

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#51147: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:16:09 PM

And which the Supremacy Clause is not unlimited either, bound by it's own rules in the Constitution, which protects States' Rights.

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#51148: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:17:17 PM

Let us just say that they are copouts. Better to argue the merits of the individual issues than to yell "States' Rights" or "Supremacy Clause" as argument-stoppers. It's equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling.

Edit: Unless, of course, it really is a States' Rights or Supremacy Clause issue, but this is not. It's someone (who happens to be in New York) creating a national lobbying campaign for healthy portion sizes. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Constitution, except perhaps the First Amendment.

edited 14th Mar '13 12:22:48 PM by Fighteer

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#51149: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:23:07 PM

That's why they are there. Laws and politics have always been a mire of arguments that run constantly. Things like the Supremacy Clause and States' Rights are there as a cut-off or a cop-out, if you want to call it that.

Mississippi is doing exactly what is within their power to do. No more, no less. You might not agree with it, I don't even think it's necessary, but that's politics for you.

Edit: And it won't be an issue unless Bloomberg or someone else somehow takes a case to the Supreme Court.

edited 14th Mar '13 12:24:33 PM by DevilTakeMe

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#51150: Mar 14th 2013 at 12:29:22 PM

Citing States' Rights where there is no Supremacy Clause issue makes you look like you have no better argument and are just whining. Mississippi can of course try to pass any laws it wants that aren't in conflict with the Constitution. Nobody has tried to claim that it cannot do this.

What we are saying is that this bill is both pointless and silly. Pointless, because any lobbying effort to get portion restrictions in Mississippi would axiomatically repeal that law should it exist. Silly, because given the pointlessness of it other than as a symbolic gesture, it makes Mississippi look like a child at the dinner table screaming, "YOU CAN'T MAKE ME EAT VEGETABLES IF I DON'T WANT TO!"

edited 14th Mar '13 12:29:57 PM by Fighteer

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