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Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#51026: Mar 11th 2013 at 6:41:04 PM

Who cares? The klan doesn't deserve any sympathy. They are a hate group and deserve to be shunned and treated as monsters. This is as bad as defending the Nazis.

I actually agree. But until the Black Panthers are depicted as the hate group they were, I really don't see the issue with the truth of the early days of the KKK (or even the Nazi party) being told...

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51027: Mar 11th 2013 at 6:43:24 PM

[up]Are the Black Panthers discussed that much? My history class just mentioned that they're a black supremacy group prone to violence.

[up][up]I just feel like it would come off as an attempt to say "Well, they weren't so bad." I'd need to know all of what it says before I make a judgement though.

edited 11th Mar '13 6:45:12 PM by Kostya

Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#51028: Mar 11th 2013 at 6:46:10 PM

[up]They weren't even mentioned in my classes.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#51029: Mar 11th 2013 at 7:37:02 PM

If you don't like what public schools teach then too bad. Every kid deserves to be taught the truth.

Those are not the same things. More often than not, they're different things.

Fight smart, not fair.
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#51030: Mar 11th 2013 at 7:56:29 PM

Republican budget plan seeks $4.6 trillion more in spending cuts

[up] Sad, but true.

EDIT: Anyone ever read 'Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong' ?

edited 11th Mar '13 8:03:48 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#51031: Mar 11th 2013 at 8:07:17 PM

Oh hey, Ryan with his bizarre and ridiculous so-called "numbers." Haven't seen those in a while.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51032: Mar 11th 2013 at 8:17:51 PM

[up][up][up]There are many occasions where schools don't teach the truth because parents complain. That falls under my complaint.

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#51033: Mar 11th 2013 at 8:18:02 PM

[up][up][up]I know of it but have never read it. Always think it sounds interesting whenever I remember it. Just not interesting enough to read when I have a chance to.

edited 11th Mar '13 8:18:17 PM by Belian

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#51034: Mar 11th 2013 at 8:34:55 PM

I've read it, Deviant. And own it. But then, I had two parents who were history major/minors and would discuss it at the dinner table. My dad was pretty conservative, but he didn't appreciate it if I didn't actually know the facts of a thing. And my mom's a teacher, so I sort of already knew a lot of the tomfoolery that goes on in the profession BEFORE I read that book.

But anyway, I think Kostya's point is that private schools shouldn't be allowed to go so far off the track that well known hate groups are promoted as noble protectors of the community when they were anything but.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#51035: Mar 11th 2013 at 8:44:17 PM

For a while I went to a private school that was not all that bad, but it was in a network of schools using a curriculum that originated from Texas. When there was a meet, it was actually really creepy to meet the people who had no clue how the world worked. Those schools had an extremely high rate of people who switched to public school for grades 11 and 12 because the universities in southern Ontario stopped accepting students because they tended to have absolutely no idea what they were doing. Hell, they'd be lost at the university I go to, and it's a Christian university. First mandatory class: History of Philosophy, looking at all the major figures and how to pick apart different philosophies without any discrimination on who was targeted.

I think more schools need a class like that.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#51036: Mar 11th 2013 at 8:55:05 PM

Why would a Canadian school system base their education on curriculum from Texas?

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#51037: Mar 11th 2013 at 9:25:21 PM

Welcome to the wonders of the textbook market. The place with the most strict rules (Texas) basically gets to set the standards for everywhere, since publishers want to be able to sell to as many places as possible. Plus, it's a big chunk of the population, so ignoring them is a bad idea from a marketing perspective.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#51038: Mar 11th 2013 at 9:54:09 PM

Yeah, I get that, but what doesn't make sense is that an entirely different country is buying textbooks from another country. Surely Canada has its own crooks trying to sell textbooks?

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#51039: Mar 11th 2013 at 10:04:19 PM

[up]The wonders of international corporations.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#51040: Mar 12th 2013 at 4:32:13 AM

[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls…The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke.

I actually think I know where this came from. Dragons A Fantasy Made Real, a 2004 British mockumentary that used this exact same explanation to explain how dragons could breathe fire. It was on the Discovery Channel... I think these are the same sorts of people who think paranormal phenomena happened in history because they watched it on The History Channel!

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#51041: Mar 12th 2013 at 4:36:32 AM

Honestly I think there should be national standards when it comes to education. Leaving it up to the states causes trouble and every child in the country should have a common background in this stuff.

[up]But...we know why those existed. They were air chambers to make the skull lighter. Ugh...

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#51042: Mar 12th 2013 at 4:40:24 AM

Honestly I think there should be national standards when it comes to education. Leaving it up to the states causes trouble and every child in the country should have a common background in this stuff.

You mean a National Curriculum*

and a National Exam System?

Keep Rolling On
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#51043: Mar 12th 2013 at 5:23:37 AM

It was a private school system.

Otherwise the public Ontario curriculum at least isn't that bad. It's a little obsessed with Canadian history (There's only like 200 years. Do we really have to go over it every single year?) But it tries to be more neutral.

edited 12th Mar '13 5:24:03 AM by Zendervai

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#51044: Mar 12th 2013 at 5:44:23 AM

Hey, we have US History, and our elementary schools reteach the same stuff every year and never even make it to WWII. (Granted, we usually start that in 1607, not 1776, but still.) Of course, what parts get emphasis depend on the teacher's preferences; my fifth-grade teacher was a big Civil War fanatic, so we had a debate on North vs. South (among other highlights).

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#51045: Mar 12th 2013 at 5:48:49 AM

I always thought it was because the Cold War is difficult to explain to children. You need some experience with how stupid politicians work before you can understand more than these were stupid politicians doing stupid things.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#51046: Mar 12th 2013 at 5:49:19 AM

[up]

Nothing stupid about opposing Communism.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#51047: Mar 12th 2013 at 5:51:53 AM

In my experience children are usually innocent enough to not understand why Communism doesn't work.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#51048: Mar 12th 2013 at 6:21:50 AM

"Anyone who is not a socialist at eighteen, has no heart. Anyone who is still a socialist at thirty, has no brain."
-Otto von Bismarck.

Our history books (we never got to this stuff because we always ran out of time, but they were there) usually mentioned the Soviet Union only in the context of its conflict with the United States and its forcible conquest of Eastern Europe. We got the facts in elementary school, and only started digging into the causes in HS. Again, excepting the Civil War in fifth grade, where my teacher actually went into some depth as to what everyone was fighting over (and we were more-or-less able to grasp "federalism vs. antifederalism" as well as "slaves and not slaves").

DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#51049: Mar 12th 2013 at 6:23:57 AM

Eastern Block communism was more of an oligarchy than actual communism.

(Of course, actual communism tends to turn into an oligarchy.)

Anyhow, my school was the same way. Though, I've heard from my southern friends that the south tends to focus MUCH more heavily on the states right's bit.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#51050: Mar 12th 2013 at 9:25:39 AM

I wonder if there's any school in the US that teaches that the huge majority of Germany's casualties in WWII were suffered in the front where most of them were committed - the Eastern Front, against the USSR.

I wonder if there's an American school that teaches that the main front of WWII for Japan was in China, where the vast majority of Japan's forces and resources were spent.

My guesstimate is that American schools would probably teach their students that the largest contribution to the Allied cause was made by the US, rather than the USSR. I've even heard Americans say that WWII started in 1941! I think it's bad enough when Europeans say it started in 1939 (when Japan had already been at war with China for two years...)

EDIT: Well, that was off-topic. Sorry about that.

edited 12th Mar '13 9:26:00 AM by BestOf

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