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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#50176: Feb 22nd 2013 at 7:18:58 AM

@Fighteer: What do you want to do with all this new income?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#50177: Feb 22nd 2013 at 7:27:25 AM

In the current depression, we'd want to focus on demand stimulus first and foremost — get people out of saving mode and into spending mode. Oh, and we also need mandatory cramdowns on underwater mortgages. Those would all be expensive and paid for from the new revenue.

Afterwards, it would go into national healthcare and income supports — those two things I mentioned at the end. Any surplus would go into debt reduction, which is a healthy thing as long as the economy is going strong. Then... who knows? We could fund NASA again. Get serious about climate change. Rebuild our inner cities. Heck, even refund the surplus to the wealthy to encourage investment.

@Greenmantle: Really? What I've proposed is the wet dream of liberal economists the world over. I'm not sure how you get from there to "angry old men". I would preserve capitalism in general, so the Marxists are out. I'm massively increasing taxation and government control over incomes, so the libertarians and plutocrats will hate me. I suppose I would have to throw in religious freedom and gay rights in my hypothetical platform, so the fundamentalists are gone.

Far right? Really? European politics must be weirder than I imagined. I'm less concerned about labels than I am about results, but one of the problems with "far" anything is that they tend to be rather crazy about their politics. I prefer sane.

edited 22nd Feb '13 7:44:50 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#50178: Feb 22nd 2013 at 7:44:51 AM

@ Fighteer:

Far right? Really? European politics must be weirder than I imagined.

I'm generalising, of course, and basing this view on the British case, but basically, your ideas are similar to British Economic Policies before The '70s and The '80s — and guess what, the "Angry Old Men" want a return to then, including their Economic Policies, Society, Union Power, the Works. Unsurprisingly, the same people, of course, hate immigration and, for that matter, Globalisation*

in general.

Our Far Right is rather Old Left Economically.

Keep Rolling On
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#50179: Feb 22nd 2013 at 7:45:50 AM

Well, I'm for immigration rights, social freedom, and globalization, so they'd probably hate me too.

edited 22nd Feb '13 7:46:00 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#50180: Feb 22nd 2013 at 7:49:00 AM

Yes, but it does show you the effect of Margaret Thatcher — the policies that proceeded her have now been pushed to the fringes of political/economic thought.

Keep Rolling On
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#50181: Feb 22nd 2013 at 10:14:29 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#50182: Feb 22nd 2013 at 11:57:09 AM

Senator Cruz (R-TX) has once again made an ass out of himself, claiming that those Dirty Commies have infiltrated Harvard Law so they can overthrow the US government. Its not a surprise that people on both sides dislike this guy, he's constantly acting like a prick and ignoring typical seniority conventions.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/22/1626661/ted-cruz-claims-he-has-a-list-of-communists-who-have-infiltrated-harvard-law-seriously/

edited 22nd Feb '13 12:02:51 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#50183: Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:01:29 PM

Yo, did anyone send him the memo that we consider Joe Mc Carthy a historical embarrassment, NOT an exemplar?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#50184: Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:15:15 PM

Do we?

Schild und Schwert der Partei
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#50186: Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:23:11 PM

[up][up]That is from 2007. There is no way that could be relevant now, right?

...

right?

edited 22nd Feb '13 12:23:29 PM by Belian

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#50187: Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:29:05 PM

Has Ann Coulter ever been relevant? -_-;

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#50188: Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:29:54 PM

[up][up] Yeah, because it's not like the Republican Party have radicalised and gotten even crazier since 2007.

edited 22nd Feb '13 12:30:01 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#50189: Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:33:13 PM

[up]x5 An embarrassment being defended by an embarrassment.

Trump delenda est
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#50190: Feb 22nd 2013 at 12:49:13 PM

And who's defending the second embarrassment?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#50191: Feb 22nd 2013 at 1:11:03 PM

Woops, wrong thread.

edited 22nd Feb '13 1:11:27 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#50192: Feb 22nd 2013 at 2:31:45 PM

It's anecdotal but my dad considers Mc Carthy a decent man that made a few mistakes and got unfairly crucified for it.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#50193: Feb 22nd 2013 at 2:35:39 PM

I view McCarthy as symptomatic of the time he lived in. He didn't cause the Red Scare. The Red Scare caused his actions. He is little more than a symbol of the Red Scare of his time period, to me.

Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#50195: Feb 22nd 2013 at 4:25:58 PM

[up]I'm beginning to think this Rand Paul fellow isn't too bright.

boop
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#50196: Feb 22nd 2013 at 4:29:48 PM

Superficiality meets ISO Standard Republican Ignorance Of Science.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#50197: Feb 22nd 2013 at 4:29:52 PM

Just beginning?

edited 22nd Feb '13 4:30:12 PM by Kostya

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#50198: Feb 22nd 2013 at 4:32:03 PM

...If I were that scientist, I would include some more swear words.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#50200: Feb 22nd 2013 at 4:40:11 PM

[up][up][up]Well, I always assumed that he was more of an intellectual like his father.

Just to clarify, I'm joking about all this

boop

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