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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49701: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:48:01 PM

[up] Looking at the article that got posted it says "Triggered by two topless rallies held in Asheville, the Republican-backed bill headed to a floor vote in the House and would amend the state's indecent exposure law to expand the legal definition of "private parts" to explicitly include "the nipple, or any portion of the areola, or the female breast."

Now, if you have evidence that the last part isn't actually in the bill, I'd like to see it.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:48:43 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#49702: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:50:40 PM

[up][up] For one, it has different standards for men and women. Men can go around topless, but not women. Second, I'm not entirely sure where the cleavage part came from. *Got that from the other posters on this thread.* Third, I think we should be loosening, not tightening, public decency laws. I think we should allow people to go naked, if they want.

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#49703: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:54:04 PM

There are sanitary and safety reasons to prohibit full nudity in many places, but I do not acknowledge any arguments that are based solely on disgust or decency. For one thing, the simple existence of varying taboos and manners of dress among cultures should prove beyond a possibility of argument that such standards are not absolute.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:56:20 PM by Fighteer

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49704: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:54:53 PM

That language is in there. However, I'm looking at the fact that the bill was specifically introduced in response to two topless rallies. Not two D-cup rallies (though, I'd kill to go to one), not a gathering of women at the beach. But a rally of women with full breasts out.

Seems to me the intent of the legislation is clear. From what I'm seeing the goal isn't to eliminate low necklines or bikinis but to stop people from flashing in public.

So......what's the issue?

[up][up] Yeah, not happening pigeon.

[up] I do.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:56:06 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#49705: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:56:10 PM

That it's effects are much broader than its purpose.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:56:17 PM by SeptimusHeap

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49706: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:57:54 PM

[up][up] The problem is that the language of the bill doesn't match up with what they're saying it'll do. They say it's supposed to prevent toplessness, but because the language says that showing any part of the female breast is illegal, it means that you can't show cleavage.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:58:31 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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#49707: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:58:39 PM

The other way to look at it, Starship, is that if government has no business "intruding into the freedom of citizens", then whence the sudden reversal when it comes to nudity? We can't ban guns but we can ban breasts?

edited 15th Feb '13 2:59:29 PM by Fighteer

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49708: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:02:12 PM

Fighteer, I'm not following you at all.

@DG - I see your point. But really, do you honestly think they'd go out to arrest women for having full beautiful breasts??


In other news. Teaching Creationism is child abuse. Well, I must say, I dig the guy sticking to his guns.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:02:55 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#49709: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:02:20 PM

Yes, the language of the bill is such that it bans showing any part of the breast. That includes cleavage. What it does not do is stop topless rallies because those are not displaying breasts for sexual purposes, and the supreme court has upheld that topless rallies are protected speech.

The intent is to ban topless rallies, not cleavage.

The effect of the bill is to ban cleavage, and not topless rallies.

The state government is not legally allowed to ban topless rallies.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:03:32 PM by shimaspawn

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49710: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:04:01 PM

Note to self: if pursuing a career in politics or any sort of policy making, bring Shima along.

@Fighteer - Actually, I wouldn't want guns or breasts displayed in public areas, but I wouldn't want them taken away from their owners either. [lol]

edited 15th Feb '13 3:05:11 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49711: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:04:25 PM

@Max: Yes, actually. There's a small town a bit north of me that has similar decency laws, and they really do enforce it.

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#49712: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:04:44 PM

[up][up][up][up] This will get a reasoned and well spoken response.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:04:54 PM by 3of4

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49713: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:06:56 PM

@Max: Yes, actually. There's a small town a bit north of me that has similar decency laws, and they really do enforce it.

Wait, you mean people seriously getting arrested for......cleavage?? And it's legal?

Why do I feel like this is the part where I ask "For real?"? Do I even want the answer?

[down] Nope, right on time, Tomu. DG is telling about some place near her where they're anti-breasts.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:08:30 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49714: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:07:02 PM

Did I just miss a political discussion about boobs?

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#49715: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:08:31 PM

No, the discussion is ongoing.

The right to bare cleavage should be amended to the constitution right next to the right to bear arms.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#49716: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:10:55 PM

But just think of the whiplash and car accidents that would result from people (read: men) turning to stare!

Or something.

Seriously ,was there a link?

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49717: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:11:38 PM

Vote CATS - STARSHIP 2013. Big guns and Big Breasts. Constitutionally guaranteed.

Giggle

edited 15th Feb '13 3:12:36 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#49718: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:11:49 PM

There was, but it's 2-3 pages back at this point.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49719: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:14:20 PM

@Max: Well, they're getting slapped with fines instead of getting arrested, but yeah.

Edit: Then again, this is the same city that forbids having dancefloors in bars, and says that "animated behavior" is an offense.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:16:59 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49720: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:18:58 PM

What's the name of that town? Vulcan??

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#49721: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:20:28 PM

[up][up] So what, do they shoot Kevin Bacon on sight or do they wait until Kenny Loggins starts to play..

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49722: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:21:41 PM

I shudder to think what would happen if 'Lil Wayne started playing. They'd probably drop a nuke since It's the Only Way to Be Sure.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:21:55 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49723: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:21:45 PM

[up][up][up] Lynden, actually. Local home of asinine and anal-retentive laws. It's also a bastion of conservatism this side of the Cascades.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:21:51 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#49724: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:24:48 PM

To add a personal note, I will be frank in saying that there is something terribly wrong with a world in which a 400 pound man can display his moobs for all the world to see, but a comely woman cannot remove her top without fear of arrest or persecution.

edited 15th Feb '13 3:25:18 PM by Fighteer

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#49725: Feb 15th 2013 at 3:25:54 PM

There are sanitary and safety reasons to prohibit full nudity in many places

If it's for the safety of the person going nude, then I don't accept them as a valid argument. People should be allowed to do stupid things as long as no one but themselves are hurt. We should discourage people from doing them, but not restrict or coerce them from doing the things. Plus, it's not a problem in many places. Like, say it's summer and I sleep in the nude and decide I don't want to get dressed before going out to check the mail, I should be allowed to. There's no danger there to anyone, not even myself. Now, I recognize there are situations where there would be a danger to myself if I went outside naked, but I don't see how I would be a danger to others by doing so.

Yeah, not happening pigeon.

Which is a shame.

Teaching Creationism is child abuse.

...

...

I agree with this guy. By teaching Creationism, one is teaching one's children lies and is possibly even stunting the child's growth by teaching him/her to ignore evidence or to cherry pick evidence, which are completely necessary for believing Creationism.


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