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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49676: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:16:05 PM

So does this bill have any chance of getting passed? It's stupid but I can't see it garnering that much support given how insanely restrictive it is.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49677: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:16:05 PM

[up][up] Critical Research Failure.

[down] You know you have failed as a legislator when the green psychoanalyst known for being chill is disgusted.

edited 15th Feb '13 1:17:23 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#49678: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:16:16 PM

<falls down about the breast thing>

Well, good-bye string tops or cute summer dresses in hot weather... <blinks> Hello spending a tonne on deodorant... o.O

Did whoever write this bit of "legislation" actually, you know... talk to his wife or sister beforehand? Like, in the past ten years? tongue

edited 15th Feb '13 1:17:13 PM by Euodiachloris

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#49679: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:17:45 PM

It passed committee but hasn't gone to vote properly yet.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#49680: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:19:07 PM

Lots of stupid laws get introduced. Most of them don't pass, fortunately. I wonder if this would even be constitutional. I imagine that one could manage some interpretation of clothing as freedom of expression.

edited 15th Feb '13 1:20:22 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#49681: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:19:32 PM

[up][up]Yes, I know that: but, you have to make it look like you hope it's going to wind up, first. tongue Hence all the inverted commas. wink

edited 15th Feb '13 1:19:46 PM by Euodiachloris

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#49682: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:20:38 PM

Is showing cleavage freedom of expression? Let's find out! tongue

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49683: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:21:49 PM

None of these Republicans read 1984. That's the only explanation for why they follow it so unironically.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49684: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:22:03 PM

Even if this thing is passed it won't stick. A lot of women slut shame but all of them will be affected. Once a bunch spend time in jail they'll vote out the assholes that said yes and the thing will get repealed. Also the men probably won't like it either.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#49685: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:22:43 PM

I find it difficult to imagine police actually enforcing a law like that. Are they going to arrest half the women in the state? They have better things to do.

This is a situation where Appeal to Worse Problems is actually valid.

edited 15th Feb '13 1:23:42 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49686: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:27:34 PM

The mere fact someone suggested it adds validity to the idea that all those in public office should have to undergo a mandatory psychiatric evaluation.

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49687: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:36:09 PM

[up]

but dont you see? women being sexual provokes sexual predation! so if those silly women wont stop being slutty, we'll force them to be modest so that rape victims wont have been asking for it.

/insaneteapartylogic

edited 15th Feb '13 1:36:25 PM by Midgetsnowman

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#49688: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:44:44 PM

There's a lot of oppression of women still even these days. This law is just one of the ways. Other terrible laws against women have included things like the law that has women in jail in this country for having miscarriages.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#49689: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:04:55 PM

@Fighteer: If these entities create a separate, parallel data system with no regulations, like a Wikileaks for corporations, what good is your legislation? How is the "right for individuals to sue for misuse of data" going to help against corporations with corporate legal budgets and the influence in lobbying to push client states so that they have legal safe havens in which they can store their parallel systems?

@this law: what are its actual odds of passing?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49690: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:07:48 PM

Depends. How popular is such a measure among citizens and elected officials?

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#49691: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:09:53 PM

@Starship: ...and their education should be tested. One senator thought that evolution made single celled organisms evolved into people in a matter of months.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:10:48 PM by Wildcard

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Lost in Space
#49692: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:10:28 PM

@Radical Taoist: Why don't they do that now? If the capability exists, as you insinuate. You can't have a global payment processing network without the buy-in of businesses who use it. Further, banks (which are under Federal regulation) would be barred from processing payments for any such shadow network, and mandatory audits would reveal this.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:10:52 PM by Fighteer

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#49693: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:12:41 PM

They're also advertising the law as a toplessness law without realising how tight it actually makes the law. Never mind that the protesting they want to stop wouldn't be stopped by it because that's not exposing the breast for a sexual purpose and the Supreme Court has already ruled on topless protesting being speech.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#49695: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:29:32 PM

RE: toplessness law: ...So, basically, a party that is completely hostile to the Taliban to the point of being the ones to have invaded Afghanistan to get rid of it are becoming like them. Great.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49696: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:30:14 PM

but dont you see? women being sexual provokes sexual predation! so if those silly women wont stop being slutty, we'll force them to be modest so that rape victims wont have been asking for it.

The implication being that men are dogs and rapists and that's just the way it is. Disgusting. But then, that's why I loathe not just rape culture, but this culture that encourages men to be brainless cavedwellers that shouldn't trouble themselves to have any personal responsibility.

How about you be a fucking man? Control yourself. I've had a dick all my life and I can't think of a single instance in which it simply leapt up and attacked a woman all on its own.

Note

So, basically, a party that is completely hostile to the Taliban to the point of being the ones to have invaded Afghanistan to get rid of it are becoming like them. Great.

The irony. Of course most of them wouldn't register it.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:32:17 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#49697: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:32:29 PM

@Fighteer: I suspect they do now. I am very skeptical of the political will appearing for stuff like mandatory audits, and I do not underestimate the ability of powerful institutions to conceal their finances. Case in point, the 2008 collapse.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49698: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:37:29 PM

Hang on gang. Now, I did some clacking about on this "topless bill". It makes exposing the nipple or the areola indecent exposure. And there's an exception for breastfeeding.

Where'd the outlawing cleavage bit come from??

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#49699: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:38:25 PM

The implication being that men are dogs and rapists and that's just the way it is.

I'm reminded of the British debate on Gay Marriage. One of the MPs said that, if it weren't for marriage, men would impregnate women, then leave them with the child, and another one came up and responded with "Speak for yourself." I feel like that second MP when people imply things like that.

The irony. Of course most of them wouldn't register it.

They'd just rationalize it by saying, basically, "It's different because we're Christians and they're Muslims!" but it really isn't different. They're still authoritarian jackasses.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49700: Feb 15th 2013 at 2:41:38 PM

Yes, but.......

Where is this alleged authoritarianism?? The bill I'm seeing says you can't just take your tits out in public and fling them around like you're alone with your partner. Which makes sense. Exceptions are made for breastfeeding.

I'm not seeing where it got all draconian. And I'm certainly not seeing the Taliban parallel.

Guys, was a mistake made here???

edited 15th Feb '13 2:42:48 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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