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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49651: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:45:26 PM

[up] No more low cut shirts, for one.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49652: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:45:47 PM

[up][up] That counts as a "sexual" purpose?

[up] Er?

edited 15th Feb '13 12:46:21 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49653: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:48:54 PM

[up] From the article:

Depending on whether such exposure is judged to be "for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire," the woman could be charged with a felony, punishable by up to six months in prison for first-time offenders.

Are you saying that the Moral Guardians don't think low-cut shirts are for arousing or gratifying sexual desire?

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
OriDoodle Mom Lady from East of West Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#49654: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:49:15 PM

Starship, actually yes. Many people have a problem with breastfeeding women.

Doodles
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#49655: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:49:22 PM

This is a basic EU sovereignty issue. Tell the U.S. to fry ice.

@Fighteer: Your position lacks the right of individuals to create false identities, which I would actually allow, as long as they were obligated to maintain one "real" profile that was accurate to themselves, and as long as any false identities did not imitate people who actually exist nor grant any purchasing powers or rights. We have the right to lie to advertisers, which includes decoys in case the master file database is compromised.

re: Rolling Jubilee: man I hope that's successful, especially if they target people with medical issues and debts related to that.

edited 15th Feb '13 12:50:20 PM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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#49656: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:49:22 PM

Public "decency" laws are a thorny subject. On the one hand, you have the argument that there is nothing indecent about the human body, and on the other you have the Moral Guardians. Frankly, a man offended to see a naked breast in public might want to have his sexual preference examined, in my opinion.

[up] I do not agree that there is any right, whether explicit or implied, to a false identity. You may wish to be anonymous, which is a different matter, but lying about your identity is a felony almost everywhere. Why should online be any different?

edited 15th Feb '13 12:50:16 PM by Fighteer

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49657: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:50:14 PM

@Ori: Thankfully they remembered to make breastfeeding an exception in this particular bill.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#49658: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:52:55 PM

The big deal is that wearing shirts which show breasts at all is now a crime. The big deal is that it has enshrined in law the idea that a part of someone's body is sexual simply because it belongs to a woman and will then criminalize that sexuality which women never asked for.

Also, it's meant to quash rallies which show people that simply having the body of a woman does not make someone a sexual object and help make women equal to men, as the amendment is directly meant to outlaw topless rallies.

EDIT: Fighteer, I love you like a wise and knowledgable friend, but what you just said is kind of exactly why people hold topless rallies, as breasts are considered mostly in a sexual setting rather than as a part of a body as they are with male breasts, and people who participate in these rallies seem not to want to be sexualized like that. Absolutely no offence intended, I simply wanted to point that out and explain that.

edited 15th Feb '13 12:56:54 PM by Enkufka

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#49659: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:54:49 PM

Also, this. It's like you have some grumpy old men sitting around in the legislature going, "Hrm, breasts... don't wanna see 'em. At all. Get 'em away from me. Grumble grumble. Now where's my mistress?"

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#49660: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:55:09 PM

I do not agree that there is any right, whether explicit or implied, to a false identity. You may wish to be anonymous, which is a different matter, but lying about your identity is a felony almost everywhere. Why should online be any different?
Do you think that entities are not going to keep what little information they can form from individual transactions with you, and trade that data among themselves? Do you think they are not going to form their own master databases about you from bits and pieces? The clandestine storage of that data for longer than legal statutes allow will be very hard to enforce, and the only way to fight that is to introduce noise to the signal.

Of course, another way that governments responsible for the storage of this database can achieve that would be by creating millions of virtual citizens - they have no real money or identity, but engage in such transactions on a large scale. The incentive to gather data for advertising purposes suddenly diminishes when there's a 1 in 2 chance that you're trying to sell stuff to someone who doesn't really exist.

EDIT: re: boobies: I am adamantly against any bill that treats women's body parts as objects to be regulated, as that necessarily entails treating women as objects to be regulated.

edited 15th Feb '13 12:56:43 PM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#49661: Feb 15th 2013 at 12:57:40 PM

It also would make it very hard for busty women in general. If you're above a C cup it's very hard to have all parts of your breasts covered at all times when you're doing things like swimming, or even just going out in hot weather. I've never found a swimsuit I don't have some cleavage in. This would ban busty women from going out in public.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49663: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:01:12 PM

[up][up] Yeah, seriously. I can't wear anything deeper cut than crew neck before I start showing cleavage.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49664: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:06:02 PM

Wait, so........cleavage.........is illegal?? What???

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49665: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:07:10 PM

[up] Only if they think that cleavage can be arousing. tongue

Christina Hendricks, in jail, for making guys get the hots. Yeah. Not a good bill.

edited 15th Feb '13 1:08:32 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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#49666: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:08:39 PM

Cleavage is illegal in many places, especially the Middle East. Dunno if that law would have the same effect (partially because I do not care about breasts enough to know the meaning of "cleavage")

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#49667: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:09:01 PM

Yeah. "The female breast" would be on the same level as seeing a testicle, considering the way they worded it.

So where does the chest end and the breast begin? Because you'll be able to show the chest and not the breast.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49668: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:10:27 PM

[up] Unless they're using breast as a synonym for chest, a la "his heart fluttered in his breast" or "chicken breast".

edited 15th Feb '13 1:11:04 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#49670: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:11:21 PM

Which would basically force busty women into turtle necks even in hot weather while men can go shirtless.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49671: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:11:25 PM

[up][up] [lol]

[up] Basically, yeah.

edited 15th Feb '13 1:11:40 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#49672: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:11:51 PM

Chick-Fil-A will have to sell their chicken in XXX packaging grin

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#49673: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:12:27 PM

Or we can just make all women in the U.S. wear a burqa. That would do the trick. Legislate clothing for one gender. Yaaaaaay!

@Radical Taoist: Companies already store your personal information. The EU law that is being considered would have the same exact enforcement issues as my idea — how do you compel companies to erase their data and verify that it happened?

If you enshrine the right for individuals to sue for misuse of data, you can help make a dent in that problem. Another way is to cut off a business' access to the global data system for misuse. If they have no other way to generate payment transactions, the threat alone would be enough to keep them in line, because then it would be cash or nothing.

As to how you get them to use the system, you make the per-transaction fee lower than the current system. This is easy thanks to economies of scale. Then you make it illegal for any payment transactor to use anything other than the new system. You declare that the existing credit networks will be shut down on X date, and that's that. Obviously you'd subsidize adoption of the new system for smaller businesses; that would help a lot.

edited 15th Feb '13 1:18:00 PM by Fighteer

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49674: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:13:15 PM

Nooooooooooo!

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#49675: Feb 15th 2013 at 1:13:47 PM

@Max: So, uh, why are you a Republican again? tongue

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