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#49576: Feb 15th 2013 at 7:25:57 AM

It seems that the world community at large is reluctant to attempt to enforce anything on them. I am honestly not sure why.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#49577: Feb 15th 2013 at 7:33:54 AM

Maybe Washington doesn't consider whales worth antagonizing an ally over?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#49578: Feb 15th 2013 at 7:36:27 AM

So, Realpolitik?

edited 15th Feb '13 7:36:40 AM by Medinoc

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#49579: Feb 15th 2013 at 7:38:26 AM

That plus a large number of U.S. politicians don't give a crap about whales. Most of them have an R in their party name. Conservation efforts are Big Government OverreachTM into the Almighty Free Market®, don't ya know.

edited 15th Feb '13 7:40:40 AM by Fighteer

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49580: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:36:01 AM

[up] But extinction of a species isn't good for anybody's bottom line, liberal or conservative, left or right.

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#49581: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:37:57 AM

They don't give a fuck, Starship.

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#49582: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:40:35 AM

That's just crazy liberal talk, Starship. God gave us this good Earth do to with as we please. Manatees may be cute and all, but it's their fault for not being able to stand up to human predation. We're at the top of the food chain and we have the technology to prove it. If the Almighty Free Market determines that tigers and elephants must die to satisfy the needs of capitalism, so be it.

Further, no bleeding heart tree hugger is going to tell me that I have to change my personal or economic choices in order to save Flipper from the tuna nets. FREEDOM!

Oh, and while we're at it, all those films showing animals as thinking, feeling creatures — especially kids' films — are just liberal environmentalist propaganda, designed for the purpose of poisoning the minds of our children.

If I have to insert Sarcasm Mode tags here, so help me I will murder someone.

edited 15th Feb '13 8:43:25 AM by Fighteer

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49583: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:43:46 AM

Fighteer, somewhere there's a black comedy about a dystopian United States that's been taken over by Republican corporatocracy, and this is the grand Hannibal Lecture from the Gordon Gecko expy.

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#49584: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:44:12 AM

[up][up] No, no, The Sarcasm is strong with this one. cool

[up] For real?

edited 15th Feb '13 8:44:38 AM by MarqFJA

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Lost in Space
#49585: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:49:19 AM

[up][up] It's funny you should say that, because The Lorax has something absurdly close to what you just described, albeit toned down a bit for kids.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49586: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:53:47 AM

[up]

and republicans have an absolute /hate/ for the Lorax, last I checked given its overall aesop is "unrestrained capitalism that gives zero shits about long-term sustainability is doomed to utterly destroy itself and the world around it".

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49587: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:54:47 AM

For real?

Oh, no. I'm sorry. That's my way of saying that somebody should make that movie, just so the villain could deliver the dialogue.


Formerly Naive Conservative: But....this is EXTINCTION!

Evil Corporate Capitalist: Extinction, for lack of a better word, is good. Extinction works. Without it, there can be no evolution.

We are the dominant life form in the universe. God himself intended it that way. Did whales split the atom? Did whales walk on the moon? Did they create "Thus Spake Zarathrustra" or the Saturn V?"

Reformed Capitalist: No, but there's ample evidence they think and feel and are capable of what we'd call intelligence.

Evil Capitalist: Liberal crazy talk, my dear. They don't count. They don't count as people.

Reformed Capitalist: "Liberal crazy talk" says the same thing about unborn children in the first trimester.

Evil Capitalist: (beat) If it interferes with profits, maybe it's a valid comparison.

(The reformed capitalist is so struck dumb by the unrepentant greed, he can't think of anything to say)

edited 15th Feb '13 8:56:07 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49588: Feb 15th 2013 at 8:59:27 AM

[up]

Thats pretty much what happens in the Lorax, yes.

profit becomes such a motive for the Once-ler that it isnt until the world is already in ruins and all the animals are dead or have fled the truffula Forest that he realizes his utter chase for profit has devastated the planet.

But for a lot of republicans, its even worse than that. See, its a bit of insane logic called "God gave us dominion over the earth. And he's gonna be back any minute because it's soon to be the second coming anyhow (just like its been since the religion came about, but I digress), therefore either 1: God would never truly allow humanity to destroy itself, or 2: god will be back any moment and repair it all anyhow.

For the rest, its pretty much "fuck the earth. You just want to use science and its lies to stop capitalism, you socialist"

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#49589: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:01:20 AM

[up][up] [awesome]

edited 15th Feb '13 9:01:35 AM by MarqFJA

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49590: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:03:59 AM

For the rest, its pretty much "fuck the earth. You just want to use science and its lies to stop capitalism, you socialist"

There was a time I used to think that way. But when you veer that far off into crazy land, even the plebes can see it.

I'm not saying the Kyoto Accords were automatically a great idea, but damn, we've had two years of straight droughts and melting ice. Ya think, maybe, just maybe, the hippie tree huggers might know something???

[up] Thanks.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:12:24 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49591: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:06:20 AM

[up]

The hippie tree huggers arent worth listening to. However, the increasing din of every single respectable climate scientist on the planet are. And are being painted as liars with an "agenda" because their studies conflict with the republican byline

This is the main problem. Politics and Ideology matter more to the tea party and far right than facts and data. if the data doesnt agree with their gut feelings, they automatically assume the facts and data are lies.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:08:45 AM by Midgetsnowman

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#49592: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:09:36 AM

The "hippie tree huggers" are a strawman used to discredit the environmentalist movement. They certainly should not be counted on to supply evidence in favor of climate science. However, the fact that they exist should not be taken as counterevidence; that's as ridiculous as saying that the insanity of the Tea Party means that all of their ideas are automatically wrong. (Insert maxim about "a stopped clock being right twice a day".)

The fact, virtually irrefutable, is that anthropogenic climate change is real, is happening now, and will cause catastrophic environmental damage if we do not address it.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:19:06 AM by Fighteer

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49593: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:14:20 AM

[up]

as I recall, a lot of the right does acknowledge climate change is real. Its just theyve now moved the goalposts to

1: It isnt humans causing it.

or

2: Its too late to stop now without utterly destroying society as we know it, so why bother?

In short. In light of evidence that it is happening, theyre now trying their best to simply absolve themselves of any responsibility to do a thing about it.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:15:05 AM by Midgetsnowman

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49594: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:15:18 AM

I think I made a faux pas. I didn't mean "hippe tree hugger" the strawman. I meant it as a tongue in cheek term for environmental activist.

Honestly, though, I could understand if the things to redress climate change were unrealistic and stupid.

But simple shit like regular car tune-ups, switching to hybrids, solar and wind power that CANNOT run out. I mean, it's like losing a million dollars because you won't buy a two dollar ticket.

(sigh) I can't throw stones though. I was just as misled.

2: Its too late to stop now without utterly destroying society as we know it, so why bother?

This may be the most insane Insane Troll Logic I've ever heard.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:16:05 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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#49595: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:16:49 AM

I think the reason most power-players aren't doing anything about is probably because 1) they're sure that they'd be long dead by the time the major negative effects hit the planet, and 2) they don't care for future generations, only their own benefit margins.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:17:13 AM by MarqFJA

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49596: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:20:24 AM

[up][up]

well, its pretty simple. If any reversal would take 50-100 years or more to take any effect, why should I experience suffering so future generations dont?

(playing devils advocate here to explain the logic)

edited 15th Feb '13 9:20:47 AM by Midgetsnowman

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#49597: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:22:57 AM

[up] & [up][up] Fuck the Earth, because it won't be my problem anyway???

Reading this thread I alternate between nauseous shame that I used to buy that bullshit ("Climate change is just Greenpeace's latest attempt to turn us into the Soviet Union") and an angry desire to find the people who spread such bs and strangle them to death.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#49598: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:23:40 AM

The one thing I'll say is that climate change isn't entirely our fault. Volcanoes do a lot of damage. However, humanity can do a lot to minimize the effects. What a lot of these people don't seem to realize is that if they manage to patent a new type of clean energy, huge profit for the next roughly fifteen years, until the patent expires. I don't get why these companies, with the exception of Honda and Toyota apparently, don't realize that having the rights to a new clean type of energy would be a huge windfall for them.

[up]It doesn't help that some environmental groups go way too far or go about preserving species in the dumbest possible way.

[down] In Genesis, the Bible pretty much flat-out states that while the Earth is here for us, we need to protect and nurture it. The so-called 'Christian' Republicans are running off a twisted version of the Bible that bears little to no resemblance to the real thing.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:25:58 AM by Zendervai

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#49599: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:23:48 AM

And this, dear Starship, is why you're really a liberal at heart. There's and old saying that reality has a liberal bias. Using rapture and laziness as excuses to kill the planet only slander Christians and glorify avarice.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#49600: Feb 15th 2013 at 9:25:14 AM

Dammit Shima, I am not joining PETA! [lol]

However, I have been taking a look at the Green Party.

[up][up] To be sure. But as we speak, the midwest and southwest of the US, y'know, where we get our food from, is in the most severe drought since the Great Depression.

I'd rather accomodate a few crazy environmentalists and not have to pay $50 for a loaf of wheat bread.

edited 15th Feb '13 9:27:17 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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