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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Sure it does. In the sense evangelical christianity defines love as stockholm syndrome to a wrathful, hateful god and anyone who diverges from the party line works for satan
and why doesnt someone found a boy scouts that accepts gays?
lets see. One, because the media would demonize the shit out of it for accepting gays and not having the political clout to defend itself the Boy Scouts would.
Two, because the BSA has FAR more funding than any new grassroots group could ever get, and would likely be stamped out violently by simply not being able to attrract enough kids that arent interested in a second organization with less legitimacy
three, because tradition is a stupid reason to keep any policy if its the only reason.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:00:34 PM by Midgetsnowman
...I'm getting the feeling your a troll.
Take it to the Gay Rights and America thread. I'm sure Morg, Starship, and the rest will be glad to talk to you.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13063290950A30760600&page=340#8497
You're literally just spouting talking points. You have no facts, no logic, no reason, no sanity, and no point. Come back when you get some.
No one is forcing the boy scouts to do anything. They're making a choice. You're making yourself look petulant, and stupid.
Maybe if you decide to look at our facts, and think, instead of getting more defensive and more angry when your per-concieved "opinions" are called into doubt, you'll learn something. As others have.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:00:53 PM by DrTentacles
THIS POST IS MY OPINION
if anything both democrats and republicans have moved to the left democrats just more so than republicans.
I can say it's my opinion that the sky is green, or that snow is made of Mountain Dew, but both of those things are verifiably false. As the old saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Similarly, you can't get around the facts just by stating something to the contrary and calling it "opinion."
And yes, people have pored over years of Congressional voting records and found that over the past couple of decades or so, Republicans have moved very far to the right, while Democrats have moved only marginally to the left in the same time frame. If you have someone who's done similar work and found the opposite, by all means present it. But until then, false statements masquerading as "opinion" will not get you taken seriously here.
Actually, this is because many people who have claimed to be "ex-gay" later recant that claim.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:01:29 PM by Linhasxoc
Uh-huh.
and none of those whatsoever fit the definition of calling it "love" to throw your gay son into a re-education camp to be tortured till they renounce being gay.
Not to mention that whole phrase sounds a helluva lot more like stockholm syndrome.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:02:44 PM by Midgetsnowman
He is gone. No sense debating him further.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Also, remember that denying same sex marriage also goes against freedom of religion. We allow Hindu, Buddhists, and Atheists to marry. Obviously, we don't define marriage as a Christian thing. In addition, there are religions that allow gays to marry. Why are they denied the right to marry gays as their religion dictates? Why should one religion be allowed to oppress others?
The same issue is often the issue with supposed Christian values. It does seem like Christian values are often an excuse to oppress other religions.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick...Thank you. Back to my TV Tropes bubble, where people at least listen to you rather than do the text version of screaming over you. I weep for America.
Anyhow, anyone have any predictions on how the Debt Ceiling this is going to go? (I'm betting they're just going to put it off another few months. Which is kinda fine with me.)
Not all that interesting. Standard fox-news stuff. Homophobic bible thumping, and using standard "Obama is Ebil" talking points.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:08:38 PM by DrTentacles
Tl; dr, it was as far as I can tell a pretty normal debate with a conservative poster until they suddenly posted something quite offensive in voicing their antipathy toward homosexual sexual practices.
(Not sure if this post will be thumped)
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As Krugman somewhat famously said, by all means let us continue to kick that particular can down the road.
Don't sweat it. I was waiting for him to go over the line. He did, so I pushed the nuke button.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:12:14 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Is there a good reason to just eliminate the Debt Ceiling? I mean, does it serve a purpose?
"The marvel is not that the Bear posts well, but that the Bear posts at all."Yes, the debt ceiling serves no purpose other than to deny the government the ability to spend money that it legally obligated itself to spend. You know, via the federal budget.
It's a hangover of the gold standard: some people just cannot accept, mentally or emotionally, the basic principles of fiat currency.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:13:33 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@3of4 That sounds great in principle... and then you realize that (a portion of) the legislative branch is insane.
Hagel has been filibustered by the Senate 58-40. Almost completely along party lines.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:18:25 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Maybe not, but you could make the self-destruct button not shaped like a banana.
As Reid put it, it's yet another sign of organized GOP intransigence. What I find illustrative, though, is that 4 Republican Senators voted for cloture. That gives me a small amount of hope.
Regarding the conservative thing, it's another side-effect of their information bubble. When you ignore facts, you don't fare well in fact based arguments. All you have left is bluster, and bluster doesn't earn you points on a forum that prides itself on civil debate.
edited 14th Feb '13 3:28:13 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"There are plenty of conservative people in this thread, they just don't appear to be conservative because the US has a conservative party (Democrats) and a crazy right wing reactionist party (republics), so you guys keep mistaking crazy reactionists for conservatives and conservatives for liberals.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Jesus Christ said "Love your neighbor as yourself.". Given that the Religion was founded upon him, I'd say it doesn't get any higher in morals.
Please explain what goes more against that:
A. Homosexuality B. The discriminating behavior towards homosexuals.
Because no definition of "love" I know includes the shit some people who claim to be christians pull.
edited 14th Feb '13 2:50:56 PM by 3of4
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