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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#49251: Feb 11th 2013 at 8:37:02 PM

Interesting article. Also a surprising level of self-awareness that you don't see in every self-professed conservative. Historically accurate or no?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#49252: Feb 11th 2013 at 9:22:26 PM

Nice find there Taoist. He seems to be well versed on the subject matter and all too aware of how the GOP has screwed them selves when it comes to minorities/civil rights. Of course no one on the right is truly going to listen to him.

Nice to see that good old Cheney is still being a ideologue who attacks Obama for doing the same things as Bush (albeit more effectively). http://www.salon.com/2013/02/11/dick_cheney_helps_his_cousin/

edited 11th Feb '13 9:29:09 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#49253: Feb 11th 2013 at 9:29:46 PM

Well, he's not really a Republican. New York Times? Come on. He has urban elite written all over him.

Nevertheless, what he said was intelligent. He's clearly studied his history.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#49254: Feb 11th 2013 at 9:35:36 PM

Yeah, he also wrote an article titled Conservatism is Dead. He either isn't a conservative... or the man is very cynical and probably drinks a tad too much.tongue

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49255: Feb 11th 2013 at 9:43:51 PM

[up]

to be fair. The republican party hasnt been conservative in a loooong time

Lascoden ... from Missouri, USA Since: Nov, 2012
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#49256: Feb 11th 2013 at 9:54:58 PM

[up][up]I've actually seen quite a few conservative writers with a very...apocalyptic outlook. Especially in light of the recent election.

boop
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#49257: Feb 12th 2013 at 5:40:27 AM

[up]

pretty much. Republican writers tend to fall into two categories these days.

people who realize their party is falling apart at the seams and has married itself directly to the angry , paranoid, 60 year old + white man

or people who are so panicked by the re-election of Obama that they have decided that conservativism didnt fail, america failed conservativism

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#49258: Feb 12th 2013 at 6:50:27 AM

Nice to see a short-but-good explanation on how a lot of the "slavery" issues were more about National vs State rights (and anti-Communism) and not about race. Also explains how that ended up being twisted around for today's "nullistic" tendencies.

One thing it didn't mention explicitly is why current "50-60 years old Republican white guys" are so set in their ways: The basis for their ideology started gaining the current political traction when they first started paying attention to politics. Add on to that the ideology focuses on being strong willed and against the political majority, and it makes a certain amount of sense why they are so entrenched in their ways.

This is the first time I feel that I can actually understand where those sorts of people, and that sort of ideology, come from and am tearing up over it. I like understanding the other viewpoint (and playing Devil's Advocate) even if I don't agree with it. Now that finally have a basis of understanding for these people, I am resigning myself to the fact that I will never be able to reach an agreement/compromise with a lot of them.

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#49259: Feb 12th 2013 at 6:53:49 AM

Yeah, that's the rub. Understanding, in this instance, only helps to convey the absolute intractability of the other side's politics. In the end, we do best to wait for the population of 1960s conservatives to die off and/or fade into irrelevancy.

In a normal situation, you'd think that understanding your opponent's point of view would lead to the ability to find an avenue of compromise, but not here. It's actually the opposite; you feel like you should be able to reach a compromise only when you don't fully understand the source of their political opinions.

One wonders if President Obama has fallen into this trap. Or at least, whether he did in his first term. This time around he seems to be learning.

edited 12th Feb '13 6:56:40 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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#49260: Feb 12th 2013 at 3:29:45 PM

There's nothing more foolish than an absolutist position, Fighteer. tongue

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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#49262: Feb 12th 2013 at 4:09:58 PM

The thinkprogress article on that says all twenty two who voted against it were male Republicans. Anyway, it's gone on to the House now and will apparently still have trouble because the bill also has provisions for protecting tribal women. And we can't have that for some reason.

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2013/02/12/1576251/republicans-citizenship-obama/

Also that.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#49263: Feb 12th 2013 at 4:13:24 PM

If they vote it down to protect the freedom of men to rape native women without fear of the law taking their crime seriously, I'm gonna need to kick something. I hope Maddow and Stewart savage them over that.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49264: Feb 12th 2013 at 4:44:28 PM

Doesn't Rubio want to run for POTUS? He is going to be savaged in the general election for voting against this. The GOP has a women problem and this is not fucking helping.

Oh really?

edited 12th Feb '13 5:01:27 PM by Kostya

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#49266: Feb 12th 2013 at 5:50:15 PM

I kinda wonder why liberals are looking to Hillary as some kind of King Arthur who will return to save our country in 2016. Isn't it a little early for the Democrats to start picking their candidate?

(Besides, the One True Candidate is Elizabeth Warren.)

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#49267: Feb 12th 2013 at 6:00:25 PM

It may just be me, but that article seems a bit too... exuberant to really be classified as good journalism.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49268: Feb 12th 2013 at 6:30:00 PM

I'm not sure I buy it but it's not entirely out there so I felt it was worth bringing up.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#49269: Feb 12th 2013 at 6:43:38 PM

How soon after the issuing of the State of the Union Address is a transcript made for public viewing/download? (If it is at all). I am listening to it just now and there are some good points Barry is making and others that make me twitch a bit, but I am so tired I really can't tell which is which just now.tongue

PhilippeO Since: Oct, 2010
#49271: Feb 12th 2013 at 7:20:23 PM

I kinda wonder why liberals are looking to Hillary as some kind of King Arthur who will return to save our country in 2016.

That not just Hillary, remember Obama in 2008 ? he also have a lot of enthusiastic followers. And not just Liberal, look at Palin supporters.

There is always journalist and people that see politics as team sports and celebrity soap opera, so star players like Obama / Hillary / Palin believed will win the game and save the team.

Hillary also believed from soap opera factor, continuity porn like Kennedy Family or Bush Family, have lots of fans.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#49272: Feb 12th 2013 at 7:27:58 PM

[up][up] And anyone who tries to protest it will look like a lunatic.

"No I don't want to pay my employees enough so that they can reach living expenses." That would go over well.

edited 12th Feb '13 7:29:03 PM by Zendervai

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#49273: Feb 12th 2013 at 7:30:54 PM

If they say it will harm small businesses they could probably sell it to a lot of people. There's not logical opposition to a lot of things yet people still oppose them and get elected.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#49274: Feb 12th 2013 at 7:31:44 PM

Not much for dark horses huh,...still hoping for Tim Kaine though.

I wonder how thing s would turn out if it came down to Kaine vs Christie,somehow I can't help but picture a Kennedy/Nixon and/or Ford/Carter like race turnout if that happens.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#49275: Feb 12th 2013 at 7:32:17 PM

In fact, working folks shouldn’t have to wait year after year for the minimum wage to go up while CEO pay has never been higher. So here’s an idea that Governor Romney and I actually agreed on last year: let’s tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, so that it finally becomes a wage you can live on.

FINALLY.


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