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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#49001: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:15:13 AM

I take the position that, if it keeps the world safe and security is upheld against agents promoting chaos, then it can be said to be necessary. I don't enjoy the idea, nor would I find such overreach likable normally.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:16:26 AM by NickTheSwing

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#49002: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:15:42 AM

Apparently the Miami Police have those small drones — and those can fit in a backpack and be controlled from a Laptop. Serocco, I'd guess the ones you see are probably examples of the unarmed MQ-9 Reaper owned by Customs and/or Homeland Security, for Border Patrol and Drug Interception.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:17:58 AM by Greenmantle

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49003: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:21:13 AM

Yeah, that's the one.

Some Homeland Security asshole decided to allow the police to parade that around my neighborhood.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#49004: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:22:52 AM

Like I said, until an innocent family on US soil is publicly murdered by drones, no one is going to give a damn. Most people don't give a rat's ass about Pakistan, and are unlikely to. Pakistan is seen as "getting what's coming to them", due to the vast swaths of territory hosting terrorists and militants.

Also they have a positive image because it means less soldiers getting killed, and if there's one thing that angers Americans, it's soldiers getting killed.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:23:31 AM by PotatoesRock

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49005: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:24:13 AM

Hamas has drones. Armed drones.

Who's to say they won't attack Israel eventually? Putting aside the defense dome, if Hamas uses a drone to attack it, someone will report it.

There will come a time, not too long from now, that people will lambast drones more frequently, but only because it'll affect themselves. Israel (an ally) getting attacked is one such a scenario.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:35:07 AM by Serocco

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#49006: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:34:56 AM

If they attack Israel, and it's Hamas' fault, it's going to be taken as "Palestine deserves to be burned to the ground and reduced to ash.". Palestine has the same issue as Pakistan: Palestinians back/protect/house Terrorists.

"They get what's coming to them".

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49007: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:38:26 AM

Of course, Palestine won't "get what's coming to them", because both Hamas and Likud are built on the idea of conflict with one another.

Sure, people will call for death to Palestine if they use drones to attack Israel, but it's just rhetoric. Hamas and Likud don't want to lose their leverage over Palestine and Israel.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:45:03 AM by Serocco

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#49008: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:44:21 AM

. .

Serocco. Pakistan != The Palestinian Territories. Pakistan is a whole other country, next to Afghanistan and has a pissing contest with India.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:44:35 AM by PotatoesRock

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#49009: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:45:32 AM

I'm not sure Hamas has much leverage over Pakistan — those that do are the US, China and the Gulf States. Quite a lot of a "Taliban" in the North of Pakistan are probably the exact same Tribes that even The Raj couldn't get under control, no doubt influenced by outsiders*

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49010: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:45:35 AM

Oh, shit. I meant Palestine, not Pakistan.

Fixed it.

edited 8th Feb '13 1:47:24 AM by Serocco

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#49011: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:48:15 AM

Palestine has an image problem. Again. They house terrorist cells of their citizenry. (I understand the complexities of what's going on). But here's the thing: Israel is seen as squeaky clean despite all its bullshit. Palestine is regularly viewed (at least through an American hawk lens) as being the bad guys.

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49012: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:49:44 AM

That's another thing that people keep overlooking.

Most Israelis are fine with a two-state solution, so it's not "Palestine" or "Israel." It's Hamas and Likud.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#49013: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:56:48 AM

Get those out the way...isn't this The General US Politics Thread?

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49014: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:57:56 AM

Israel v. Palestine is related to General American Politics. tongue

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#49015: Feb 8th 2013 at 1:59:06 AM

Yes, and I believe the forum has a moratorium on matters regarding Palestine and Israel

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49016: Feb 8th 2013 at 2:01:10 AM

If you wanna get more on topic, then I think we should talk about the Tea Party attacking Karl Rove after he said he doesn't think purely conservative candidates won't win elections.

edited 8th Feb '13 2:08:43 AM by Serocco

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#49017: Feb 8th 2013 at 2:50:56 AM

I'd say Rove's on the ball. More uncompromising, ideologically pure Republicans are going to be the party's death as the current generations of youth keep pouring in.

Now if his suggestion is to "repackage" things, then :V Well. Republicans in government seats aren't getting why minorities and the youth are so mad at them.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#49018: Feb 8th 2013 at 2:51:46 AM

[up][up]Uh... Is it a double negative? Otherwise, I see a weird contradiction...

edited 8th Feb '13 2:54:03 AM by Medinoc

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Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#49019: Feb 8th 2013 at 3:04:56 AM

His suggestion boiled down to "I'm a better liar than the Tea Party, so let me handle everything."

So, yeah, repackage. waii

edited 8th Feb '13 3:05:06 AM by Serocco

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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#49020: Feb 8th 2013 at 6:01:37 AM

Well, technically conservatives can still win elections... namely conservatives in Reagan's mold. The problem is that right now the Democrats are closer to Reagan's mold than the Republicans are. tongue

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#49021: Feb 8th 2013 at 6:06:57 AM

You remember Barney, right? The Bush family Scottish Terrier (along with Miss Beazley)?

It's old news, but Barney died of Lymphoma (blood cancer) earlier this month.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#49022: Feb 8th 2013 at 6:09:04 AM

[up][up]

The problem is that right now the Democrats are closer to Reagan's mold than the Republicans are.

Didn't Ronald Reagan originally start out as a Democrat? Anyway, here's an interesting quote from Reagan:

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me."

Looks like it's back.

edited 8th Feb '13 6:09:50 AM by Greenmantle

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#49023: Feb 8th 2013 at 6:10:46 AM

Very depressingly back, I might add.

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#49024: Feb 8th 2013 at 6:11:57 AM

[up]Funny, I feel that way about the conservative movement.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#49025: Feb 8th 2013 at 8:40:11 AM

The Overton Window was successfully moved by Republicans starting in the 80's. Reagan, whether he realized it or not, was the figurehead.

edited 8th Feb '13 8:40:32 AM by Fighteer

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