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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
In this case, yes.
WHY ARE WE GRANTING THESE ILEAGAL PEOPLE AMNESTY WHEN THEY HAVENT DONE ANYTHING TO DESERVE IT AND ARE TAKING OUR JOBS?! THEY MUST BE DEPORTED AT THE VERY LEAST!
Never mind that a most of them consider themselves Americans (or, in the case of children, didn't even know that they wern't until they tried to apply for a job) and are doing all the jobs that most people don't want to do for less money than people would normally do them for.
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI): We're Living in Atlas Shrugged
@last page discussion:
There seems to be some debate (in OTC? Impossible!) about what exactly religion is, or what science is. This could prove to be an interesting discussion but I can't really frame it as anything other then "dictionary wars: religion edition"
@Belian: Paying taxes you owe to become a member of society is actually a pretty fair process. The problem arises when you realize none of these people will owe taxes and if they were born in the US the government would probably owe them.
""Amnesty" is one of these fear-mongering code words, right?"
It depends on how it's used but generally when right-leaning politicians use it they try to conjure a mental image of baby rapists being given a SIN card.
"We're Living in Atlas Shrugged"
An interesting idea. I guess if you're a fan of the book and a total lunatic (there isn't much difference) you could squint and see some similarities.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?Not quite. Apparently instead of Galt himself, he identifies with the guy who was a wet dream of capitalism, resents supporting his family, and slept around behind his wife's back to affirm the sex-fantasy side of Rand's consummate sociopathy.
See, it's so much better.
edited 29th Jan '13 2:33:33 AM by Pykrete
Ach, I might as well be the first person to quote it:
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
Schild und Schwert der Partei
Hey... at least at 57 you can appreciate the roots of Lord of the Rings and maybe even have dug into such things as The Eddas. It's a handy gateway drug into myths and legends as well as the History, Language and Geography of the people who came up with them.
Wish I could say the same of Atlas Shrugged. <_< It's not a good gateway into a rounded appreciation of Economics. Or Sociology, for that matter.
edited 29th Jan '13 2:58:23 AM by Euodiachloris
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Oh, LOTR's a superb book. Just starting the whole modern fantasy genre is a huge achievement; and the success of the films shows how strong the story structure and characterisation is.
It's just not the best book in the world.
Atlas Shrugged, otoh, has a view of economics and sociology that's likely to appeal to the 17 year old struggling to become an independent adult.
But once you've done that, you should move on. Rand, it seems, never did.
edited 29th Jan '13 3:03:01 AM by Bluesqueak
It ain't over 'till the ring hits the lava.If you actually read atlas shrugged at 17 you'd be two things:
1: eighteen by the time you're done.
2: in need of better reading materials.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Only eighteen? Okay, I suppose if you started on your seventeenth birthday...
'Better reading materials' kind of relies on your school library being allowed to stock subversive material like 'Huckleberry Finn', 'Harry Potter', 'To kill a mockingbird' and 'I know why the caged bird sings'.
It ain't over 'till the ring hits the lava.Re Atlas, quoth the news:
And in French, we know a lot about going on strike
Also, the point of a strike is to publicly protest and demand changes. Rand's "heroes" don't go on strike; they quit and disappear.
And sorry, but I have little sympathy when the richest and most powerful people are whining about how "the government is taking my stuff" while at the same time relying on the government to maintain their lifestyle in the first place.
At least Paul Ryan finally realized that Rand was an atheist. I don't see how you can be a Republican and a Randroid at the same time. Maybe it's even scarier how these people combine religious fundamentalism with an utter distaste for any sort of government interference in big business.
edited 29th Jan '13 5:32:48 AM by Lawyerdude
What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.

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From what I heard on NPR, the Senate imigration bill IS "amnesty", but only if they pay all their back taxes. Considering the financal status of most of these people, that is quite the hurddle to overcome. There are other hurdles as well, but I think I'll wait till the whole thing is made public before making any overal opinions.
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!